I didn't say the parts weren't well made. The headsets, cranks, etc, look nice. But I feel that the design thinking at places such as Riv, Crust, Black Mountain, etc, is deeper and comes from a more authentic place. VO seem like trend followers to me. Which, whatever, who cares. Just not the kind of place I like.
As for originality, *of course*, Grant didn't invent the cyclocross bike or touring bike. *Of course* he was inspired by other things. But I would say he put way more thought, way more from-the-ground-up thinking into those bikes than anything VO has ever done. Again, though, who cares. I am not telling anyone not to buy VO. If you like their stuff, great. On Saturday, June 13, 2020 at 10:59:46 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > I disagree. VO is clearly more of a “business” business, and much of their > stuff is made to a price point, but most of it is made with a purpose more > than revenue, is well designed and manufactured, and developed by people > who live bicycles. As for copying, it sure didn’t start with VO—the Roadeo, > all rounder, Legolas, even Atlantis didn’t grow fully developed from > Grant’s brain. > > Patrick Moore > iPhone > > On Jun 13, 2020, at 11:30 AM, S <sbl...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote: > > Some of their parts look OK, but I have always felt that VO lacks . . . > heart and originality. That's the nicest way I can say it. > > On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 3:47:32 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote: >> >> VO has on other occasions mimicked what Rivendell has introduced. Usually >> made more cheaply and at a lower price point. >> >> On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 01:09:36 PM CDT, Brian Campbell < >> bdcamp...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> VO is offering something similar: >> >> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2020/05/mega-list-of-project-updates.html >> >> Drop tube/drop bar bikes are a " thing" now..... >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/UhTlCuYG2hM/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/eda11a79-a3a6-4173-8f91-6b5e44a67503o%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/eda11a79-a3a6-4173-8f91-6b5e44a67503o%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/94118e36-2753-421a-b9af-5f247e9647e0o%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/94118e36-2753-421a-b9af-5f247e9647e0o%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8998a295-75a2-4bfa-8cb7-a8ccca7cb0fdo%40googlegroups.com.
