No worries. My point is that, although the SH most closely matches the kind of frame I want, I am considering other Riv models as well, and frame geo is one of the factors I am weighing. I wouldn't rule out any frame for not exactly matching my ideal. In fact, most of my bikes are less than perfect in this way-- in particular, I am in between sizes on older Treks.
On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 4:31:52 AM UTC-7 Mark Roland wrote: > My post wasn't meant to single you out, other than as random example of a > trend we are mostly all caught up in some way or another. I'm not so > precious about frame size as long as it's within range, but I have become a > tire snob. Way too many dang tire choices out there right now. Though that > could change in the years ahead... > > > On Monday, September 14, 2020 at 8:00:53 PM UTC-4, S wrote: >> >> I admit to being picky, but then, I would guess this is true of most >> posters in the group. The shorter stays and trad end caps were part of why >> I was interested in the SH to begin with, so if my ideal geo happens to >> fall between sizes, that's just one more check on the "con" side. Again, >> yes, I am being picky, but these frames are $1500-1800. As I said, maybe >> the photos of the actual frames change my mind. That would be great. >> >> On Monday, September 14, 2020 at 5:13:11 AM UTC-7 Mark Roland wrote: >> >>> The SH comes in five sizes, increments of 3cm from 48 to 60cm, so unless >>> a person is unusually tall or short, or has proportions that generally >>> "require" a custom geometry, I would think there is a sweet spot in there >>> for the 99 percent. I realize there are other parameters than just seat >>> tube length, but one would think the designer keeps that in mind. And of >>> course you have stem lengths, handlebar reach, seat post setback, saddle >>> rail length, all to fine tune a fit. I am thankful my sweet spot is fairly >>> big. We certainly live in a time of consumer "choice". The more "choices" >>> we have access to, the pickier we get! Human nature I suppose. (I put >>> "choice" in quotes because the choices we often have are not much of a >>> choice, in my opinion. For example, you can choose a blue car or a red one, >>> but for the vast majority, you must have a car to get along.) >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 6:12:16 PM UTC-4, S wrote: >>>> >>>> Maybe the "slightly longer" stays are truly that. And maybe I could get >>>> over the ball and socket ends. I hope photos of the actual frame change my >>>> mind. In any case, more depends on whether or not one of the frame sizes >>>> happens to fit the sweet spot for me. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 12:37:24 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, I just pulled up the latest email, it got by me. >>>>> >>>>> “ The seattube sizes are slightly different this time. Here's the PBH >>>>> range: >>>>> >>>>> 48cm 650b = 77-80cm >>>>> 51cm 650b = 80-83cm >>>>> 54cm 700c = 84-86cm >>>>> 57cm 700c = 86-90cm >>>>> 60cm 700c = 89-94cm >>>>> >>>>> The changes from the last batch are minimal: >>>>> >>>>> - Ball n socket seatlugs >>>>> - Slightly longer chainstays. The 60cm has the longest at 48.5cm. >>>>> They were too short before. >>>>> >>>>> It's compatible with all of our bars from Bosco to Noodles and is good >>>>> for just about all reasonable riding. >>>>> >>>>> It's not a full blown trail bike like the Gus/Susie but it'll do just >>>>> fine on most trails and isn't inappropriate on a road ride either if >>>>> you're >>>>> with like-minded people. You can stretch it into almost all types of >>>>> riding >>>>> outside of downhill, BMX and road racing. >>>>> >>>>> I used mine for Mt Diablo lunch rides with speedy Mark, one night >>>>> camping trips on fairly mellow trails, and even unloaded, careful >>>>> singletrack riding. Most of the time it was a fantastic commuter though.” >>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 2:34 PM S <sbl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, quite a few group members have called the SH the "perfect Riv," >>>>>> or words to that effect, and I was set to buy one when they became >>>>>> available. No longer. I wish they had left well enough, or maybe even >>>>>> "perfect," alone. I agree variety would be nice -- I don't think >>>>>> chainstay >>>>>> length is as cut-and-dried a design decision as the latest email made it >>>>>> sound, "the chainstays were too short." There are always trade offs in >>>>>> bike >>>>>> design and although I agree that *longish* stays are good, I think Riv >>>>>> has >>>>>> taken that idea a bit too far or, at least, applied it too widely. Of >>>>>> course, up to them. They dig it, I don't, no big deal, I will buy the >>>>>> parts >>>>>> and tools instead. >>>>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 10:52:22 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> S, this is the second time I have heard this in 2 days, here and on >>>>>>> the FB RBW site. I would hope the chainstays in the Sam would remain >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> same so we would have some variety. I found an Orange Sam, new at a >>>>>>> decent >>>>>>> price but I am not sure on the orange, but now it is a big maybe. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 1:40 PM S <sbl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree that the design looks very close to the Avid Shorty. I >>>>>>>> still plan to buy a pair, if they aren't too expensive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I like that Riv is offering more original parts and tools. I think >>>>>>>> this could be a growth area for them, especially the tools, which >>>>>>>> usually >>>>>>>> sell out instantly. And since their frame designs have begun to >>>>>>>> diverge >>>>>>>> from my tastes -- eg, I am disappointed the new Hillborne will have >>>>>>>> ball >>>>>>>> and socket seat stay ends and longer chainstays -- the parts and tools >>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>> me a way to keep supporting them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:29:59 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was hoping for a simpler, old-school sort of cantilever, more >>>>>>>>> like the Rene Herse version which while wildly priced, ticks all the >>>>>>>>> boxes >>>>>>>>> of what I'd like in a cantilever brake (Post style pads with toe-in >>>>>>>>> washers, pads open up wide past the frame). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can't say much about the Riv design though as I've not seem them >>>>>>>>> in person as to how they work, or tire/frame clearance and all. The >>>>>>>>> blueprint appears complicated though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cantilevers matter to me, I prefer what the bike industry must >>>>>>>>> consider "not very user friendly" as I find that comical as they ARE >>>>>>>>> friendly ! The kind with post style pads and washers for toe in. >>>>>>>>> Infinite >>>>>>>>> adjustabilty. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> V-brakes and "user friendly" ? 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