Hey Justin, I like the sound of your setup on the Soma, would love to see some 
pics! Cheers,

~Mark 
Raleigh, NC

> On Apr 12, 2021, at 15:19, Justin Drake <justin.s.dr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> TLDR: Over time I've moved more weight forward and lower and experienced 
> better handling. 
> 
> Many years ago I would use dual rear panniers. That worked fine, but after I 
> started to move weight to the front I realized a heavy rear load really 
> affected the handling of most bikes. With a heavy rear load you cant toss the 
> bike side-to-side when making an out-of-the-saddle effort. Maybe it's the 
> long lever of the weight far back, but I feel like a bike is much more stable 
> with a balanced (front AND rear) load. I also think the rear wheel already 
> has the most stress when unloaded and adding extra weight in panniers and a 
> rear rack only increases the burden on the wheel and tire. 
> 
> Over time I have added more and more weight to the front of my bikes. Started 
> with a giant Wald 157 delivery basket on the front of a Schwinn Speedster 
> 3-speed with the collapsible wire Wald baskets on the back. That bike had 
> very stable handling and with steel wheels and a heavy steel frame it could 
> take a heavy load front and rear well. Ginormous grocery runs. 
> 
> I've moved to lighter bikes and lighter/smaller bags and baskets. A great 
> option for commuting was a 137 up front and a Carradice or Bags by Bird large 
> saddle bag in the back. Balanced loads if a little top heavy. My most recent 
> commuting setup is a Soma Lucas rack in the front with dual Jandd 
> mini-mountain panniers on a Soma San Marcos with Albatross bars. This is a 
> wonderful set up for commuting and I have found that I can load the panniers 
> with way more weight with less effect on the handling than a Wald basket and 
> saddle bag. The rear has no weight. 
> 
> My bikepacking bike has a Bags by Bird large on the front supported by a 
> Lucas rack. Putting the weight between my hands is much more stable than if 
> the weight was off the back of the bike. I add my light sleeping bag and warm 
> clothes in a dry bag strapped to a aluminum rear rack. 
> 
> Justin in Sacratomato 
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 9:45:08 AM UTC-7 Jim Whorton wrote:
>> Those Wald rear baskets are great--I use one for grocery shopping routinely. 
>>  I have the larger version, the Wald 535 (18 inches long).  It is very 
>> sturdy--no problem loading it with cans, milk cartons, etc and you can strap 
>> a big bag of dog food or whatever over the top.  I have a set of the Wald 
>> folding baskets too, but they are much flimsier than the non-folding kind, 
>> and they rattle.
>> 
>> It is true that these rear baskets do not match the shape of an ordinary 
>> grocery bag (paper sack, or the reusable kind).  Takes a little repacking at 
>> the bike rack.
>> 
>> At one point I had this rear basket on my 59cm Clem H.  It didn't work--for 
>> some reason it created a bad shudder in the fork.  But it works fine on this 
>> old Peugeot.  And, getting back to the original question: on this bike I 
>> always load the rear first, and only put light things in the front basket.  
>> Handling gets weird if there is much weight up front:
>> 
>> Jim Whorton in Rochester, NY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 8:16:16 AM UTC-4 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Funny you should say that but I was thinking the Wald folding basket would 
>>> be interesting particularly as I'm sure you could come up with an easy 
>>> mount/dismount system with a trip to the local Ace Hardware. Certainly not 
>>> boutique PNW custom pricing either.
>>> 
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Folding-Rear-Bicycle-Basket/dp/B0012DVQVQ?th=1
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 7:08:03 AM UTC-5 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>>> I've been toying with this for a few weeks: 
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/Wald-Rear-Medium-Basket-13-5X6-25X11/dp/B001EL7P34?th=1
>>>> 
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