I'm confused again.  I was thinking that wide chainstays require high
Q cranks.  But if the drop out width is standard, is it just the way
the chain stay splays out near the BB that determines Q?  Can a frame
builder make a bike with low Q yet still accept 50mm tires?  If so,
why does Rivendell make all their bikes with high Q?

Thanks.

On Apr 30, 11:01 pm, CycloFiend <[email protected]> wrote:
> on 4/30/10 8:08 AM, happyriding at [email protected] wrote:
>
> > I was thinking that as the chainstays got wider, the cassette moved
> > outboard more, but that isn't true is it?  The cassette must be in the
> > same place no matter how wide the chainstays are?  So that meas every
> > crank has an ideal distance from the BB shell that perfectly lines up
> > its chain rings with the cassette?  So for bikes with wide chain
> > stays, you need a crank where the crank arms are further away from the
> > rings so that the crank arms clear the chainstays, but the rings still
> > line up with the cassette?
>
> Yep. Pretty much.
>
> The idea is to design a bike which allows you to place the chainrings and
> rear sprockets in similar relationship to the centerline of the bicycle.
>
> AASHTA -http://sheldonbrown.com/chainline.html
>
> It's not so much that the chainstays were widened - the rear spacing doesn't
> really change as it's specific to the gearing.
>
> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/frame-spacing.html
>
> A few things have led to wider crank arm "splay" - shorter chainstays, which
> move the wider part of the rear triangle closer to the bottom bracket;
> larger diamter (i.e aluminum) and/or square tubing found on mtb designs;
> suspension designs which favor oversized or square tubing.
>
> - J
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