Haha! Touché Eric. I feel like Brandt falls into the heros of the retrogrouch. Grant, Sheldon Brown, Rando Jan (not to be confused with Business Jan)
Id love to hear a considerate counterpoint from somebody that says he'd be on a 54mm tire carbon open... On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:59:44 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote: > The Riv list imagining Jobst riding a steel frame with rim brakes? > Shocking! > > Eric > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 7:37 PM Philip Williamson <philip.w...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50 >> years. >> >> - Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the first >> time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is still >> tough, >> reliable, and cheap. >> - Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to >> dive into The Jobst Hole to find out. >> - Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no >> worries about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake. >> - Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan >> debate the testing protocol. >> - Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the >> two times a day he'd shift. >> - Yellow. >> >> Philip >> rec.bicycles.tech >> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still >>> feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills >>> road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle, >>> riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name >>> alive! >>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote: >>> >>>> If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same >>>> setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals. >>>> But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I >>>> understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he >>>> be >>>> riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial >>>> or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with >>>> reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up on >>>> a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some >>>> things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more >>>> possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc >>>> either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the >>>> front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th >>>> anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of >>>> titanium frame. >>>> >>>> I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer. >>>> >>>> Laing >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim >>>>> brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his >>>>> prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech >>>>> that >>>>> we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a *bit* of a >>>>> retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily >>>>> on >>>>> his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub >>>>> would be a yay or nay. As I'm typing this, I'm reminded of Ritchey's >>>>> comment on his use of his shifters, or lack-there-of, so I'm leaning >>>>> towards him reverting to shorter free-hub bodies. Hell, maybe he'd have >>>>> beat Rivendell to the modern-day 7 speed rear hub! Or perhaps, the Rene >>>>> Herse rear mech would tickle his fancy. Tough call. He'd certainly ride >>>>> whatever it is to the ground though. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-6 Jeffrey Arita wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Andrew, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for sharing. The article was definitely worth the read. A >>>>>> few things stood out to me: >>>>>> >>>>>> - they were/are all *extremely *fit. >>>>>> - fear was not a word in their vocabulary. >>>>>> - what camaraderie (and competition) at the same time. >>>>>> - the Higgins' couple rock. Of course the stoker is doing all the >>>>>> work ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> Jeff >>>>>> Claremont, CA >>>>>> (who's beloved stoker [Lori] continues to do all the work) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a >>>>>>> nod to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. >>>>>>> As >>>>>>> a result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you >>>>>>> spliced >>>>>>> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Today's Radavist >>>>>>> <https://theradavist.com/conversations-with-tom-ritchey-part-two-the-influence-of-jobst-brandt/> >>>>>>> article >>>>>>> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who >>>>>>> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a >>>>>>> lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for >>>>>>> performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando >>>>>>> build? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Take it away if you wish, >>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/03f3f5be-da67-4278-bc77-7926f7b2528dn%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/03f3f5be-da67-4278-bc77-7926f7b2528dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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