I have little to add to this discussion, except this; he was an engineer, correct? So whatever he would be riding & his reasoning would definitely be interesting.
Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Mackenzy Albright <mackenzy.albri...@gmail.com> wrote:
Haha! Touché Eric. I feel like Brandt falls into the heros of the retrogrouch. Grant, Sheldon Brown, Rando Jan (not to be confused with Business Jan)
Id love to hear a considerate counterpoint from somebody that says he'd be on a 54mm tire carbon open...
On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:59:44 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
The Riv list imagining Jobst riding a steel frame with rim brakes? Shocking!
Eric
I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50 years. - Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the first time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is still tough, reliable, and cheap.
- Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to dive into The Jobst Hole to find out.
- Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no worries about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake.
- Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan debate the testing protocol.
- Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the two times a day he'd shift.
- Yellow.
Philip rec.bicycles.tech Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle, riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name alive!
On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals. But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he be riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up on a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of titanium frame.
I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer.
Laing
I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech that we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a bit of a retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily on his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub would be a yay or nay. As I'm typing this, I'm reminded of Ritchey's comment on his use of his shifters, or lack-there-of, so I'm leaning towards him reverting to shorter free-hub bodies. Hell, maybe he'd have beat Rivendell to the modern-day 7 speed rear hub! Or perhaps, the Rene Herse rear mech would tickle his fancy. Tough call. He'd certainly ride whatever it is to the ground though.
On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-6 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
Andrew,
Thank you for sharing. The article was definitely worth the read. A few things stood out to me:
- they were/are all extremely fit. - fear was not a word in their vocabulary. - what camaraderie (and competition) at the same time. - the Higgins' couple rock. Of course the stoker is doing all the work ;)
Jeff Claremont, CA (who's beloved stoker [Lori] continues to do all the work)
I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced his timeline and moved his prime days to current day.
Today's Radavist article really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?
Take it away if you wish,
Andrew
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