Leah, one more thought building on the Sam, Homer, Ram, etc. suggestions. The periwinkle color samples Will showed in the Friday Riv newsletter strikes me as a color that is right in your wheelhouse. I know one of the country bikes is not at the top of your wanted list, but I believe you could build a reasonably light (23-24lbs.?), zippy periwinkle Sam rolling on RH or Continental 5000 32mm tires and you'd be at the front!
Full disclosure: I have a Sam with 32mm Grand Bois Cypress tires:-))) Good luck and have fun with your search. Best, Rich in ATL On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 5:42:41 PM UTC-4 Lucky wrote: > Leah, > > Did I miss the part where you got a professional fitting somewhere local > to you and then ordered a Custom Riv Road just for you? Heck, you could > build a step thru custom Riv Road if you wanted! I bet that will be a > beautiful bike. > Yours, Riv Sister Liz > > On Apr 21, 2024, at 14:29, Chris Halasz <cha...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I see many here of the relatively long torso to short inseam chromosomal > group recommending square frames (top tube similar to seat tube) > geometries. I wonder if that will work for Leah. > > > This never worked for my 5' 5" wife. The only non-custom dropped bar bike > she ever fit decently on was the smallest of the Bleriots (49cm?) with 650b > wheels to limit toe clip overlap (TCO), and that only worked with a > maximally extended 50mm Technomic stem. > > We at one point purchased a Gunnar 50cm frame with nice short top tube. > Upon receiving the frame, I realized it had something like a 75 degree seat > tube, which would not work with my wife's long femurs, no matter the then > available setback seat posts. > > So I recommend the *smallest* (i.e. shortest) sloping top tubed frame that > will elevate the bars as much as possible, and discount threadless > ahead-type forks and stems, allowing for plenty of elevation of the bars, > and recommend no larger that 650b wheels and not-too-chunky (38mm max) > tires to limit TCO. > > (I also don't recommend a cyclocross frame unless you really like standing > over exposed top tube cables that are wiped clean by your shorts.) > > Unless, Leah, you have a long torso compared to your inseam, then you may > ignore! > > And we all are anxious to see what you end up with. Personally? I'd love > to hear how you drop the whole pack on a custom-painted Roaduno. > > Cheers > > Chris > SB, CA > > On Sunday, April 21, 2024 at 2:20:57 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> As someone else said, skip the scruples and just try drop bars. They're >> *comfortable*, which is (I assert) the reason why they've been used for >> well over 100 years. >> >> Riders don't use drops because their bars are positioned far too low; the >> hoods position on modern bikes is like the hooks position on "traditional" >> road bikes. >> >> I've not used Albastaches but I've used many, many, Moustache bars and >> nope, not like drops. You might end up hating drops, but please try a few. >> >> Patrick "38 cm Maes Parallel road, 42 cm Maes Parallel dirt" Moore >> >> On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 3:07 PM Leah Peterson <jonasa...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I promise not to be offended by a great wave of advice coming my way >>> here - I have asked for it and you all have kindly delivered. >>> >>> Ok, ok….I really will consider drop bars. But I do wonder…everyone says >>> they offer so many hand positions; but I only see people with their hands >>> on the hoods. Are riders really utilizing different hand positions? >>> >>> Also, I saw a pic of an albastache with brake levers in the middle of >>> the bar. Would this mimic the freedom of hand position changes a drop bar >>> offers? >>> >>> I practiced tonight on my ride by grabbing the front of my Billie bars. >>> It felt nice to be stretched out like that, but with no access to brakes or >>> shifters from there I didn’t like to stay long. Unnerving. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Apr 21, 2024, at 4:54 PM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> This is going to be a fun thread. Please don't take a great volume of >>> advice as condescending; I think that this thread will elicit a very large >>> amount of love for road bikes as a distinct genus of bicycle. >>> >>> I think you very particularly will benefit a great deal from the right >>> road bike and that once you get things basically sorted you will find that >>> you enjoy it immensely for the kind of riding you describe. There is a >>> perfection of fit and feel and a real pleasure in riding a well set up >>> traditional road bike -- I don't mean racing bike -- that you don't find >>> with other combinations of frame, saddle, bar, and their relative >>> positions. Really, this sort of setup on the right sort of frame is >>> *more* comfortable, *more* natural, *more* pleasant for energetic >>> riding than other setups; at least, I've always found it so, and there's a >>> reason why the traditional road bike was developed so quickly after the >>> chain-driven safety was invented and why it has remained largely the same >>> for going on for 150 years. >>> >>> Note: I don't say that *everyone* who rides energetically should have a >>> road bike, but everyone who does so and can try ought at least to give one >>> a try. Again, there is an efficiency and comfort -- really, a "fit" like >>> that of a custom suit or perfect tool -- offered by an intelligently spec'd >>> and set up road bike that, you don't -- or at least, *I don't,* -- get >>> with any other sort of bike. >>> >>> Me, based on my experience, I'd certainly start by keeping my eye out >>> for a used Roadeo or Riv Road or LongLow or Ram or Heron. But for the final >>> and perfect version, I'd not close my mind a priori to other makes. I am >>> guessing, but I would not be surprised if, after your usual rapid learning >>> cycle, this time with a road bike, you end up with a custom. My favorite >>> bike of all time out of several scores is a custom Riv Road, but I've owned >>> 2 other Riv Road customs plus a Ram (and the Sam) not to mention many other >>> road bikes, and I've sold them all on to finally get what for me is belated >>> perfection in the 2 Matthews customs -- tho' these used the Rivs as >>> general design templates. >>> >>> I rode the gofast Riv fixie road bike to and from church today with the >>> usual annoying NE winds while inbound N and E and the usual SW winds on >>> return N and W. For the umpteen millionth time I remarked to myself at how >>> pleasant it was to be able to drop "intuitively" into the hooks when >>> turning into a wind, or to grab the long (Maes Parallel) ramps when >>> pushing, butt-back and elbows bent, up an incline, or sitting up and >>> holding the flats or the flat/ramp transition and spinning when the wind >>> became a tailwind. >>> >>> I've certainly passed my speed demon days, but there remains a very >>> distinct pleasure in riding energetically -- for me, particularly on hills >>> and against winds -- on the perfectly set up road bike, and I have enough >>> experience to know that I would not enjoy this nearly as much on anything >>> else. >>> >>> *Bon chance!* >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 1:33 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! < >>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I’m starting to wonder about a roadbike. But it has to be a Rivendell >>>> roadbike because I’m loyal and all that. Anyway, I don’t know that the >>>> Roadini really offers enough of a change for me. I have no idea what is >>>> going on with the Gallup. Then there’s the Roadeo - that one looks great >>>> but there’s a 2 year wait, unless I can find one used. Which would be >>>> ideal. >>>> >>>> Who rides their Rivbike in club rides and what do you ride? Who has a >>>> Roadeo that never gets ridden and wants to sell it? I don’t even know what >>>> size I’d be but I’m an 81 PBH. Must I ride drop bars? I never have before. >>>> I know nothing about any of this. Clearly. >>>> >>>> Note: I still like my raspberry Platypus for club riding but it does >>>> take a toll on me in wind. I recently got a shorter-height, longer-reach >>>> stem which marginally helped, but our high spring winds are taking it out >>>> of me. I did a club ride yesterday with my women’s group and my heart rate >>>> was in the 170s the whole 26.3 miles. It was brutal. Everyone else agreed >>>> it was a hard ride, but I felt like it was harder on me than them, and I’m >>>> the youngest and probably the most fit. >>>> >>>> Leah >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fab5132f-e8ca-4a76-842d-9b994853e099n%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/fab5132f-e8ca-4a76-842d-9b994853e099n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Patrick Moore >>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing >>> services >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* >>> >>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* >>> >>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/uXZ6OSH6T-s/unsubscribe >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgt2zr1c-C1mVdfZT7Pmw8beof8ym%2BaKo2ECu1HyNFVFtg%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfgt2zr1c-C1mVdfZT7Pmw8beof8ym%2BaKo2ECu1HyNFVFtg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6AF71840-D741-4BF6-A425-5B96403399FC%40gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6AF71840-D741-4BF6-A425-5B96403399FC%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing >> services >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,* >> >> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,* >> >> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.* >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0f1cf9da-a841-49c6-96e7-7f86776ba1efn%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0f1cf9da-a841-49c6-96e7-7f86776ba1efn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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