HI Eric. You're right about Lon Haldeman. He has a Pactour blog and there's 
an entry about breaking in a leather saddle. It's still available. I have 
to laugh at this topic because I got my first Riv in 2011 as I became 
interested in a cross country ride, and had moved to leather saddles and 
was having a devil of a time breaking them in. I read Lon's blog and used 
his method. Be careful not to ride it too long when it's wet, as I 
apparently did, because it stretched and sagged badly. I was new in this 
group and reported my experience. I was just a young lad of 50 at the time 
and one of the group "old-timers" really berated me for doing that. I 
haven't seen him post in a long time so I hope he's still going strong, but 
he didn't have to be so mean about it. At 64 1/2 maybe I'm getting to be 
that grumpy old timer so I shouldn't throw stones. Damn whippersnappers! I 
broke in my first B17 in a while last September. I only use proofide now, 
but having only ridden B-17s since 2011 they break in easily. I ride a lot 
without padded shorts so if it's a little too hard I put some on for longer 
rides. One other note, I have to use the B17 Special, which has the 
hammered brass rivets, rather than the machine-set steel rivets in the 
Standard. I tried two of the standards and the furthest rivet to the left 
of the seat gave me a sore. My left cheek must have a little "princess and 
the pea" thing going I guess.


Peace, 
Tim
On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 3:34:07 PM UTC-5 EGNolan wrote:

> I ride a few different Brooks', the most comfortable ones are the vintage 
> ones (a B17N and a B5N). I've had a newer B17 that broke in fairly easily 
> just riding, but a B17N that just doesn't seem to want to form to me.
>
> I remember an old Lon Haldeman (maybe from a Reader, maybe elsewhere, but 
> Grant did some great interviews with him, he's an ultra long distance 
> rider, FWIW) story about breaking them in this way. He'd soak them in water 
> to break them in and then use oil from there on out. I doubt realistically 
> it shortens the life much, but maybe...
>
> Anyway, I'm tired of the B17N not fitting and don't want to keep it if it 
> ain't gonna work, so I'm soaking it tonight and seeing what we can do!
>
> Thanks for the info and unintentionally pushing me to do something.
>
> Best,
> Eric
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 2:59:31 PM UTC-4 [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I'm also a fan of the 'leave it out in the rain a time or two' method of 
>> speeding up the break in process. It probably shortens the lifespan some 
>> but I am ok with that.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Monday, May 19, 2025 at 1:03:29 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Glad it has worked out (so far)! I'm confident it'll last a long long 
>>> time after this - I think the issues arise when it stays wet, or is ridden 
>>> wet repeatedly. As a tool for breaking in, seems great to me. Then again I 
>>> soak my cast iron in soapy water sometimes, too - clearly I live 
>>> dangerously! 
>>
>>

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