About newenglandbike's wood analogy, I think a more accurate analogy might be that knowing the TYPE of wood is important, but knowing the BRAND is probably not. You certainly want to know your house is being built of a certain grade and species, but whether that wood comes from Weyerhauser or Georgia-Pacific makes no difference. To bring this back OT, it makes complete sense to want to know that your bike is made of good material. In Riv's case, many of us are fine with Grant's "trust me, it's good." But I think many riders have a legitimate desire to know more. You may have found you like the ride of bikes with certain tubing specs (though I doubt one could discern between brands with the same specs) and as mentioned above one may have specific concerns about durability or other things. As I have said before, Riv/Grant only seem to end up creating grief for themselves when they share too much - the confusion around the multi-ethnic Sam Hillbornes being only the latest example. It goes against their "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" message - find a builder you trust, trust them (it's good), and just get out and ride. Maybe Grant is the "Wizard of Walnut Creek"? ;-)
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