I agree Pete. I am also an amateur astronomer and mirror and lens makers 
stopped telling the buyer the actual wavelength coreection of their products 
because even though you could see no difference, people were reselling mirrors 
with better "numbers" for more money. And, that pissed the mirror makers off. 
So, insted of providing the "numbers" with each mirror they now guarantee at 
least X wavelength correction. Sometimes we get all caught up in numbers that 
in reality have no meaning. I love my sSm Hilborne and I will leave it at that.
 
best,
 
JimP
 
> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 06:45:21 -0800
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Blog post about tubing for AHH
> From: petepe...@gmail.com
> To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
> 
> About newenglandbike's wood analogy, I think a more accurate analogy
> might be that knowing the TYPE of wood is important, but knowing the
> BRAND is probably not. You certainly want to know your house is being
> built of a certain grade and species, but whether that wood comes from
> Weyerhauser or Georgia-Pacific makes no difference.
> To bring this back OT, it makes complete sense to want to know that
> your bike is made of good material. In Riv's case, many of us are fine
> with Grant's "trust me, it's good." But I think many riders have a
> legitimate desire to know more. You may have found you like the ride
> of bikes with certain tubing specs (though I doubt one could discern
> between brands with the same specs) and as mentioned above one may
> have specific concerns about durability or other things.
> As I have said before, Riv/Grant only seem to end up creating grief
> for themselves when they share too much - the confusion around the
> multi-ethnic Sam Hillbornes being only the latest example. It goes
> against their "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" message
> - find a builder you trust, trust them (it's good), and just get out
> and ride.
> Maybe Grant is the "Wizard of Walnut Creek"? ;-)
> 
> -Pete
> 
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