On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:04 -0700, RJM wrote:
> I have ridden enough CF bikes to know that I prefer steel bikes. With
> the size bike I need, I can get a steel bike to under 20 lbs pretty
> easily and that isn't even going completely weight weenie. Getting a
> bike down to 15 lbs won't make me like biking anymore than I already
> do, it won't make the ride any more enjoyable, and it won't suddenly
> make me want to be lance armstrong and use every ride as a race. That
> kind of weight difference just doesn't matter to me at all. What does
> matter is that the bike looks nice, will last for years, and I don't
> have to worry about dropping it.
>  
> Is anybody making a carbon fiber touring bike yet?

No, and not likely anyone ever will.  Not only is touring a very tiny
niche and so not economical for the molded CF method of production,
there's also the matter of rack attachment that Calfee or Crumpton (I
can never keep them straight) mentioned in a sidebar to the BQ review.
He prefers P clamps because then if you drop the bike with a loaded
rack, the rack will slip rather than put a sideways stress on the stays
which would split the stay and would be entirely unrepairable in the
field (me paraphrasing the builder).  

I believe it; as I said, I know two people who had to replace CF frames
because the weight of a water bottle split the downtube when the bike
fell over.  Imagine how much more stress a rack w/two loaded panniers
would create compared to the tiny weight of a water bottle!



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