Interesting discussion -- the RBWlist equivalent of discussing angels dancing on the points of pins, but interesting. (Actually, the possibly legendary discussion of angels on pins is interesting to in that it really bears on the different meanings -- and modes -- of "presence:" presence of location, presence of causality, etc which, if y'all were 13th century scholastics-in-training, would be quotidian --yes!! -- distinctions.)
Interesting nonetheless to hear more people say that CF feels dead. My brother has a couple of 20 year old Merlins and he likes the ride, but his few and brief experiences with CF also indicated dead. FWIW, my heavy-framed-'n'-forked '03 Curt weighed 7 lb for frame, fork and headset, yet I built it up as a 1X10 to come in at just under 19 lb with the only silly light articles being a ti stem binder bolt; unless you consider a Phil ti 113 silly light: Phil said that trackies use them, so I'm not worried. I myself believe that there is a point at which weight does matter, but that, also, this point can shift considerably depending on (1) the subjective propensities of the rider and (2) other qualities of the bike in question. My erstwhile, fully loaded Herse randonneur was a true tank: memory has it feeling in heft like the Fargo with the lighter wheelset; yet it had me pushing a higher gear quite happily. Magic pixie dust? Hallowed name resonance? Who knows, but it was a "fast feeling" bike. (I sold it because it did not carry heavy loads as well as I like and because I have other "fast feeling" bikes, to wit my Rivs. On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Steve Palincsar <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:23 -0700, Garth wrote: >> >> Steve, My hypothesis is for each of us, if we wish, to look at our own >> prejudices towards a material we may actually know nothing about ! >> Just becasue so and so says it was this or that . It may be true for >> them... but is it true for me ? And if your favourite frame could be >> 5 pounds lighter for the same price .... would you still choose your >> heavier one ? .. after all ... weight doesn't matter... right ? >> lol :) > > And I think I explained why that can never be. Wishing never makes a > bike, production processes do. And some materials are more amenable to > a custom, one-off, limited production for a niche market than others. > > If I want to lose 5 lb, it makes more sense to lose it off me than off > the frame. And if I pursued losing those 5 pounds maybe six times, then > by gar, I could lose a few spokes off my wheels, too. > >> For myself ... it doesn't matter up to point ! I don't want another >> 10 lbs. added to my Bombadil for sure ! Nor do I want to ride 1000 >> gram rims. There IS a difference in feel .... and we need not "put up >> with" more weight of the bike than we choose to . It's all about our >> individual choice. That's why we even exist ... to choose :) > > Yes, "Step away from that ice cream bar!" > >> Would I like a F150 that weighed 3000-3500 lbs and had 500 HP and got >> 50 MPG ? Ummm.... if I could .... I just might want it ! We're all >> kinda snobbish in our own ways .... and it's okay to admit it ... or >> not .. lol :) > > No, that's just plain silly, not snobbish. 500 hp, 50 mpg, pick one. > It's like the holy trinity, "Good, fast, cheap: pick any 2." Some > things you simply cannot have, and wishing for them is futile. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > -- "Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you." Flannery O'Connor ------------------------- Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW http://resumespecialties.com/index.html ------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
