Yeah Patrick , I've never ridden or owned a CF frame so any information is 
"second hand" ... lol.  The "feel" of a CF may have a lot to do with the 
geometry used also .... and you don't really know where a person is coming 
from in saying it feels "dead".  You really can't compare steel and CF 
directly spec for spec because the simply are made differently today . 
Maybe if they still made lugged CF like when they originated in the 80's 
you could compare them ... and I bet they rode quite similar .  

  I guess my main concern though, like yours would be longevity and 
durability in the long run.  And yes ... Titanium would be an interesting 
option too !   

I'm not weight weenie either .... but yeah .... if the exact same frame 
would weigh 5 lbs. less ?   Heck yes I'd consider it !  I ride hills every 
day too. While yes ... it is all about the experience and less weight may 
not matter in some ways ... it does matter in others.  It depends on how 
you want your experience to be . . .  and we each inherently get to choose 
that experience .  What anyone else thinks .... *So What* !  Who ya' riding 
for ?   lol :)

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