Thanks, best post in some time.

I enjoy this list for the riv content but also for the generally respectful, 
simpatico tone.

Oh, the photos you are starting to post from your trip on your blog ( 
http://bikenoir.blogspot.com/ ) are great!
Any chance you'll write a ride report?

Cheers,
JimD
On Jul 13, 2012, at 10:28 PM, erik jensen wrote:

> this thread started before i left to ride my atlantis across the cascades and 
> elsewhere, and i return to see it continues. that's funny!
> 
> anyone who has read this list always knows that there are always going to be 
> people who pop in to troll or otherwise; posts of the sort "look at me, i 
> like ALL bikes why don't you you ignoramus."
> 
> But it doesn't really work that way, this is a place where people who want to 
> talk about lugged bikes will. Like every place on the internet, people will 
> always want to come in and yell about how that place doesn't really get it, 
> as we may be tempted to otherwise. I subscribe, as there are also some really 
> good ride reports that come up, but I bit my keyboarding tongue a lot about a 
> whole variety of things. I think people like to make up stories about so and 
> so having ideology x, y or z, because it's just easier that way. It happens 
> on this list, it happens to all sorts of people with any sort of recognition, 
> it's terribly easy and terribly boring--human, all too human, right?
> 
> I really wish the biggest problem worth discussion was that us mean rivendell 
> list members were dissuading significant portions of the public from riding 
> bicycles made of carbon fiber, but I bet you can count the number of times 
> that happens every year without trying too hard. That said, the rhetoric is 
> really bias the other way. This isn't a debate between two equal sides in 
> other words, and so don't construe peoples energy and love of a niche group 
> to be conflated with koolaid or ideology as much as it is with embracing and 
> pursuing an approach they probably have very little of in the place they 
> live. I lived in Omaha, NE, for some time--how many rivendells are there? I 
> know of 2, maybe?
> 
> I recommend anyone engaged by a two week long argument on the internet step 
> outside and remember we live on a fragile rock hurtling through the enormity 
> of an infinite cosmos.
> 
> It's not what you have or say, but it's what you do.
> 
> What have all the posters in this thread been doing? I'd much rather hear 
> about that.
> 
> Ride on,
> 
> erik
> 
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Scott Henry <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have no problems talking about Rivs, I do it routinely. 
> I have a problem talking bad about carbon because someone told you not to 
> like it.
>  
> A bike is a bike.  Ride them all.   Don't talk anyone out of riding anything.
>  
> And personally, I like obnoxious women. 
> Scott
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Kelly <[email protected]> wrote:
> Not sure where you got slow comfort bikes from.
> 
> As for talking about rivs.. It is the Rivendell group ...  So do you complain 
> on the Ford group that they don't like Chevys.  Probably.. :)
> 
> Actually I have many bikes in the garage... Steel aluminum, and carbon.
> 
> I've had two carbon frames break, one carbon fork, two carbon stems, one seat 
> post break.
> 
> Haven't broke the others yet
> 
> I am not afraid to ride carbon , just not fond of the way it fails.
> 
> I'm an obnoxious opinionated jerk.. And blame it on women in general.. What's 
> your excuse.
> 
> Kelly
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