Well, they are comparable for the use of heavy bottles, right? At any rate,
I prefer a duller finish with worry free strength than shiny and cool with
less strength.

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:

> On 08/01/2013 01:58 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I've used the Nitto butterfly cages, the VO similars as well as the VO
>> retros, and the King Irises, and I've managed to break two Nittos and
>> (IIRC) one VO but never a King, even with almost 30 oz double wall steel
>> bottles (= long and heavy). The King's don't look as shiny but IMO they are
>> the best out there regardless of value, and this is true even more given
>> the price.
>>
>
> Those two aren't really comparable.  The Nitto Butterfly isn't meant for
> loads as heavy as those you used, and it isn't meant for under the downtube
> use either; but it looks marvelous, holds a normal size and weight bottle
> very well, and yet it's easy to remove and replace the bottle.  The King
> Iris, by contrast, is perfect for overloading and under the downtube use;
> there's simply no way it can open from the weight of a bottle.  However, I
> found it damned near impossible to get the bottle out from either the
> downtube [i.e., NOT under the downtube] or seat tube positions with one
> hand with the bike moving.
>
> The King Iris is a whole lot cheaper, too.  You can buy two King stainless
> cages (either the conventional style or the Iris) for less than half of
> what one Nitto Butterfly costs these days.
>
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