Heh, I was right then. Shows that it's always the simplest things that make
the biggest problems.

-Gregory

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Modena <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> well I am officially an idiot. Looking a little closer, the SSR is AC
> load. Some googling on "SSR not switching off" told me that if you try
> to switch DC with an AC SSR this may happen.
>
> <runs down to Jaycar to buy the correct SSR>
>
> will report back later
>
>
> On Aug 23, 1:01 pm, Modena <[email protected]> wrote:
> > no I am not sure, but the way I see it if the input voltage is zero to
> > the SSR, the load pins should not make a circuit, but it seems once it
> > does make a circuit, it stays that way
> >
> > Mike Mane: you can get voltage regulators, in  either kit form or pre-
> > fab, I'm using one in T067 to drop 24v -> 12v, and then another one to
> > drop 12v -> 6v. They are rated at certain max amps, heat being the
> > issue.
> >
> > On Aug 23, 12:44 pm, Gregory Pwneror <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Are you sure it's not the solenoid that's causing your problems?
> >
> > > -Gregory
> >
> > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Modena <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > I just tried seperating the PSU's, powering the logic and SSR off a
> 6v
> > > > and the solenoid totally seperate off 12v, same issue, switches on
> and
> > > > stays on.
> >
> > > > basically the whole thing was connected to a 6v battery, one lead of
> > > > the solenoid went to + of a 12v battery, the other solenoid wire went
> > > > to a load pin on the SSR, the other load pin went to - on the 12v
> > > > battery.
> >
> > > > when it stays on, the relay is NOT powered at the input, yet it still
> > > > makes a load circuit, WTF ? how can this happen?
> >
> > > > driving an LED off the same terminals as the SSR input and the LED
> > > > blinks as expected for the time delay and then switches off, so the
> > > > 555 seems to be doing its thing; press button, LED comes on, solenoid
> > > > switches on, time delay expires LED goes off, solenoid stays on, SSR
> > > > load circuit stays complete
> >
> > > > I'm confused
> >
> > > > On Aug 23, 11:51 am, Mike Mane <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > I might as well ask an electrical question myself. What is the
> > > > > cheapest (or at least simplest) way to reduce the main tank's
> voltage
> > > > > X volts to power small, intricate IC's, etc on a circuit that
> require
> > > > > <X volts? Is there any way to reduce voltage like this without
> harming
> > > > > the circuit or messing up the battery? Is resistance the answer?
> >
> > > > > —Mike "not the electrician" Måne
> >
> > > > > Message sent by way of mobile device
> >
> > > > > On Aug 22, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Don Shankin <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Good call, just be careful around those caps
> >
> > > > > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Gregory Pwneror
> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > If you need to find a MOSFET look inside an old computer power
> > > > > > supply, they usually have half a dozen of them inside. They also
> > > > > > have 1600uf capacitors :)
> >
> > > > > > -Gregory
> >
> > > > > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Frank Pittelli <
> > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Don Shankin wrote:
> > > > > > > Are you talking about MOSFETs?  They're essentially voltage-
> > > > > > controlled
> > > > > > > transistors (as opposed to being current controlled).
> >
> > > > > > Yes, there is a new breed of MOSFETs called "self-protected
> MOSFETs"
> > > > > > that are specifically designed to be driven from logic levels and
> that
> > > > > > protect against all kinds of problems.  For example, see:
> >
> > > > > >
> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/parametrics.do?id=819
> >
> > > > > > The last time I looked (about 6 months ago), they only produced
> them
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > tiny surface mount packages (which are too small for my eyes and
> > > > > > soldering skills :-)  However, while googling to answer this
> > > > > > question, I
> > > > > > see that they are now producing them in good old TO-220 packages,
> so
> > > > > > I'll have to see if my normal electronics suppliers stock them as
> > > > > > well.
> >
> > > > > > The nice thing about this new breed is that (a) they are designed
> for
> > > > > > logic level inputs, (b) they protect the logic circuit from load
> > > > > > problems and (c) they don't need suppression diodes when used
> with
> > > > > > inductive loads.  Basically, they are a one package solution for
> > > > > > switching 4-6A loads.   When I start noodling with circuit
> designs in
> > > > > > the winter (the official season for circuit noodling) I plan on
> > > > > > playing
> > > > > > with them to see how well they work for my purposes (cheap,
> durable,
> > > > > > easy to repair).
> >
> > > > > >        Frank P.
> >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > Donald Shankin
> > > > > > Computer Engineering Undergrad
> > > > > > Blue Marble Security Member
> > > > > > IEEE Vice Chair, MTU Chapter
> > > > > > NSBE Telecommunications Chair, MTU Chapter
> > > > > > CAEL Partner
> > > > > > (507) 301-2499
> > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > ----------
> >
>

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