Try Thermoil deslphator additive. Has good reviews. We are selling it.

Jon Hill
Sierra Solar Systems

On May 28, 2012, at 7:17 PM, "Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power 
Systems"<[email protected]> wrote:

> Dan,
> 
> I'm perplexed. Where was anything mentioned about de-sulphators? Where was 
> anyone "slammed"? What in the world are you talking about? Perhaps you meant 
> to reply to someone else's thread. BTW, I do not recommend a desulfator or 
> pulser be installed on batteries.
> 
> I'll reiterate my points:
> 1. KC-120's from a certain production era fail and can be warranted.
> 2. Applying enough load will cause full current to flow from a PV array.
> 3. Sulfated batteries have high resistance causing a quick rise in voltage.
> 
> I welcome your response but please reply off list.
> 
> Respectfully yours,
> 
> Larry
> 
> On May 28, 2012, at 6:42 AM, <[email protected]> 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Seems I have a stalwart "Battery Specialist" in the neighborhood still 
> convincing folks that de sulphators are the smartest thing since sliced bread 
> (And slamming anyone who disagrees). In my experience, sparklers have little 
> to no effect on battery longevity and in most cases add unlisted, hazardous 
> and unnecessary wiring devices to a potentially hazardous environment. Is tar 
> and feathering still an acceptable means of dispute resolution.. or am I 
> totally missing something? tks db
> 
> Dan Brown
> Foxfire Energy Corp.
> Renewable Energy Systems
> (802)-483-2564
> www.Foxfire-Energy.com
> NABCEP #092907-44
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Troubleshooting Off-grid PV
> From: "Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems"
> <[email protected]>
> Date: Sun, May 27, 2012 7:37 pm
> To: RE-wrenches <[email protected]>
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> Check the dates on the KC-120 module label. If any were manufactured between 
> January 1999 and December 2002, they have or will fail. We have been 
> replacing these modules for over 8 years now. There was a defective solder 
> joint during manufacture. Kyocera will still replace them under warranty even 
> though they have no legal requirement to do so. They will ship you 
> remanufactured 120's and pay for return shipping. Contact Kyocera about the 
> procedure. 
> 
> If the batteries are sulfated, they will not produce the load necessary to 
> drive the current high. Capacity has nothing to do with it; internal 
> resistance does. You can test the array by pulling the voltage down (turn on 
> some big loads) at solar noon. This will force the controller into bulk and 
> reveal the maximum current the array can produce. I think you have two 
> problems here. With bad modules, you may not see much.
> 
> It is typical for a controller to transition to float very early in the 
> charge cycle if the battery is sulfated. Look for a fast rise in voltage in 
> the morning. This is an indicator of sulfated battery. A healthy battery will 
> slowly climb in voltage.
> 
> Let me k now if you need more understanding about batteries, charging and why 
> MOST of them never see old age. It's my speciality.
> 
> Larry Crutcher
> Starlight Solar Power Systems
> (928) 342-9103
> 
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