I have to agree with Larry… a properly sized, designed and charged series battery bank does not need “magic elixir” and if you add it to an old poorly designed bank it still will be poorly designed, even if you could fix the hard sulphation the problem would re-appear. I have never seen this stuff work however in my 45 years in the battery business.
Kind Regards Tom Duffy Senior Solar Design Engineer Toll Free 888-895-8179 [email protected] For: Customer Service and Accounting 888-895-6810 Grid tie sales 888-895-7847 Off Grid sales 888-895-7765 Other Product Sales 888-895-9612 Shipping and Receiving 888-895-6497 Tech Support 888-895-8179 From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of William Dorsett Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 3:16 PM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] De-Sulphators. The last word? If this is a fancy name for EDTA, perhaps 10 years ago I went through virtually all of the previous 15 years of Chemical Abstracts to see if there were ANY reference to its working. And while there were hundreds of scholarly abstracts on lead acid chemistry, there was only 1 that mentioned EDTA and that was a mixed review and attributed any benefit to the ion with which EDTA was combined as a salt. Like desulfators, there may be anecdotal hearsay, but little science. Bill Dorsett Sunwrights Manhattan, KS From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]> On Behalf Of Jonathan Hill Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:33 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] De-Sulphators. The last word? Try Thermoil deslphator additive. Has good reviews. We are selling it. Jon Hill Sierra Solar Systems On May 28, 2012, at 7:17 PM, "Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems"<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Dan, I'm perplexed. Where was anything mentioned about de-sulphators? Where was anyone "slammed"? What in the world are you talking about? Perhaps you meant to reply to someone else's thread. BTW, I do not recommend a desulfator or pulser be installed on batteries. I'll reiterate my points: 1. KC-120's from a certain production era fail and can be warranted. 2. Applying enough load will cause full current to flow from a PV array. 3. Sulfated batteries have high resistance causing a quick rise in voltage. I welcome your response but please reply off list. Respectfully yours, Larry On May 28, 2012, at 6:42 AM, <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Seems I have a stalwart "Battery Specialist" in the neighborhood still convincing folks that de sulphators are the smartest thing since sliced bread (And slamming anyone who disagrees). In my experience, sparklers have little to no effect on battery longevity and in most cases add unlisted, hazardous and unnecessary wiring devices to a potentially hazardous environment. Is tar and feathering still an acceptable means of dispute resolution.. or am I totally missing something? tks db Dan Brown Foxfire Energy Corp. Renewable Energy Systems (802)-483-2564 www.Foxfire-Energy.com<http://www.Foxfire-Energy.com/> NABCEP #092907-44 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Troubleshooting Off-grid PV From: "Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Sun, May 27, 2012 7:37 pm To: RE-wrenches <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Hi Eric, Check the dates on the KC-120 module label. If any were manufactured between January 1999 and December 2002, they have or will fail. We have been replacing these modules for over 8 years now. There was a defective solder joint during manufacture. Kyocera will still replace them under warranty even though they have no legal requirement to do so. They will ship you remanufactured 120's and pay for return shipping. Contact Kyocera about the procedure. If the batteries are sulfated, they will not produce the load necessary to drive the current high. Capacity has nothing to do with it; internal resistance does. You can test the array by pulling the voltage down (turn on some big loads) at solar noon. This will force the controller into bulk and reveal the maximum current the array can produce. I think you have two problems here. With bad modules, you may not see much. It is typical for a controller to transition to float very early in the charge cycle if the battery is sulfated. Look for a fast rise in voltage in the morning. This is an indicator of sulfated battery. A healthy battery will slowly climb in voltage. Let me k now if you need more understanding about batteries, charging and why MOST of them never see old age. It's my speciality. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems (928) 342-9103 _______________________________________________ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List-Archive: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/pipermail/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org List rules & etiquette: www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm<http://www.re-wrenches.org/etiquette.htm> Check out participant bios: www.members.re-wrenches.org<http://www.members.re-wrenches.org>
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