Yes Maverick, the Honda is an electric start & someone sold & tried to install 
an aftermarket start kit, several folks have worked on it and all to no avail.
Thanks on the battery suggestions I was about to call my Full River rep on 
Monday.
 
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From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf 
Of Maverick Brown
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 11:26 AM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Array/battery relationship (WAS Battery Watt hours 
FLA VS Iron Edison Batteries)
 
Is that Honda an electric start? If so, what model it it?
 
As for batteries, I suggest Concorde AGM PVX-9150HT for 915Ah or Fullriver 
DC1150-2 for 1150Ah. Both are great choices and very rugged.
 
Concorde & FR both may already have them stocked there.
 
 
 
 
On Oct 14, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Dana <d...@solarwork.com> wrote:
 
This client is on Kauai, her cloudy  winter storms average 4-5 days. She has a 
generator [Honda] not an auto start, that several folks have tried to integrate 
as auto start with no success. Battery maintenance is a challenge  for her, as 
could be expected with a pile of T-105 style batteries, etc.
I can hear folks saying “well maybe she should not be off grid.”
She does not have another living option & I feel just requires a minor upgrade 
& correction to a poor original install.
I suggested a set of HUP Solar Ones & the freight was huge to the islands.
 
 
 
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From: RE-wrenches [ <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> 
mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 3:56 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: [RE-wrenches] Array/battery relationship (WAS Battery Watt hours FLA 
VS Iron Edison Batteries)
 
Dana (and I'm curious if others agree),
I used to work with 4-5 days of storage, back with modules were expensive and 
batteries were relatively cheap. As in recent years these two have reversed - 
modules are cheap and batteries are dear - my fundamental design approach has 
changed. I now design around 2-3 days of storage with a larger array, as long 
as there's a backup generator in the system. I size to at least 100% of the 
projected winter average daily load. 

The batteries recharge more quickly, including on partly cloudy days between 
storms. They spend more of their time full, thus keeping them happier and 
giving them as much or more life, even with more and deeper cycling. FLAs are 
easier to EQ, given the hotter charge rate. And the customer spends less.

You used to live in SW Colorado, a similar sunny winter climate. Is it the same 
in Idaho where you live now? 
Allan
 
Allan Sindelar
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On 10/14/2016 3:36 PM, Dana wrote:
I recommend 4 days backup min & 5 days backup if budget allows of storage and 
Iron Edison were saying that 2 days was sufficient. To clarify - I said 
“magical” as in wondering if there was something special, I-E did not say this.
 
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From: RE-wrenches [ <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> 
mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Dan Fink
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 12:04 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Watt hours FLA VS Iron Edison Batteries
 
Tom; I have never seen Iron Edison saying NiFe is "magical" -- do you have a 
specific webpage on their site that says this?
All batteries have advantages and disadvantages, and also myriad technical 
issues for the installer to overcome. 
 


Dan Fink
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On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Tom Duffy < <mailto:t...@solar-biz.com> 
t...@solar-biz.com> wrote:
Hi Dana
 
Two thoughts… how many days of autonomy are they quoting?
 
If nickel Iron were this magical how come nobody has noticed them for the past 
100 years?
 
Kind regards
 
Tom Duffy
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From: RE-wrenches [mailto: <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org> 
re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Dana
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Subject: [RE-wrenches] Battery Watt hours FLA VS Iron Edison Batteries
 
Good Morning All,
 
I have a charity case client that needs 760 to 900 AHR at 24 VDC. I have 
installed HUP Solar One Batteries for 20+ years and do not have any experience 
with the Iron Edison battery. My client went to Iron Edison & was told that 360 
AHR at 24 VDC would cover the same AHR as a 760 to 900 AHR in FLA.  I 
understand you can use the IE deeper typically than a FLA.
 
Math is math to me & how I have sized [successfully for years] Is there 
something I am missing or has my client been misinformed? 
 
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