Hi Allessandro, I think the Cookbook from Carl at REBOL.NET is something in this way but the examples list could be planned a bit more to include some real apps in many fields to really show how REBOL can be used in the many ways other languages can be. Fields may be something like Web use for front and back end or Database use coupled with Web use as a front, more systematic and detailed Gui use.
A couple years ago, back in 2004 I started a very small practical project to index the Cookbook with keywords for fast looking and searching of specific apps developed by Carl - all this was first done for my own use and later it was planned for REBOL community but illness went back again and my project has yet to be completed. This simple tool was then planned to be used as a demonstration tool for how REBOL can be used for practical day-to-day tasks. Then the simple planning and analysis had to be detailed and lightly documented just to be included into the REBOL.ORG Library. This is what was planned to help guide novice developers to start code with REBOL by example. I will try to advance it to its completion by end of the summer so the process can be documented and serve their main purpose that is to show other novices - like me - how to develop and include their own REBOL stuff and publish it. Another way to help ppl is with step by step tutorial. Tim Johnson with its PDF-MAKER demo is a great learning tool too like the "Easy VID Tutorial" from Carl and its enriched version "VID Usage" from Cybarite can also serve as a basis for other tutorial tools - but they generally show how to use other tools or programming elements. I never saw this kind of tool used to develop complete tasks in a hand in hand manner. But what is missed from these tutorial for novices as a learning tool could be more of following two kinds: - the first is to explain the process of creating/adding some new material to actual or empty templates based on the "Easy VID Tutorial" SHELL - may be explaining its inner working from a user point of view to help better understand how it can be used as is, - the second way is to explain its inner working from a programmer point of view to help better understand how REBOL was used to get these tools up and running and show how it was developed from zero or how it could be extended to include some GUI enhancements like page flipping, horizontal and vertical scroll bars. etc... These real and simple enough apps could be accompanied with the complete and lightly documented development of other real apps as asked by students/users wanting to master REBOL as their first/next programming language. Your poll is a very good tool to be used to get the needs of community members and while on the right track, up to now I only heard of some advanced apps while there are a lots of them that are simpler to develop, more intuitive and probably more useful in the short term to newcomers than the formers mentioned - debugger tool and IDE. When REBOL 3 will be here, I hope more of us will already be able to use correctly most what already exists and I feel that this is not the case. I can work with you and other ppls that will volunteer to help plan some real small apps to be developed and suggest them as learning tools to our community. My 2 cents, Gerard P.S. Keep the momentum Alessandro, we miss something like this and most ppl here already work full-time for their job and don't really have a lot of time to invest in this way, except to point what is the right way of doing things and give some cues and small code examples - but this is what newcomers generally need to support their initiatives. However if you have more time to invest in this cause - like me - and more health to support your efforts, I encourage you to continue in this direction and I will do my best to help you too with ideas/questions/suggestions/small code (I'm still a newcomer too). P.S. I will try to reconnect slowly again with programming at large and specially with REBOL programming. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alessandro Manotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: [REBOL] Re: New Poll to get a feedback from the community > > Following the considerations of David, I wish to propose to create a > groups to realize some real applications, programs that even "normal" > people will see as useful. > > What do you think about it? > > > --Alessandro > > > > > > On 5/20/06, Alessandro Manotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I red the poll you suggested me (XMLTV). > > No answer? Boh.... > > > > We need to find out the problem why Rebol is not famous, and Python > > yes, Ruby yes, etc... > > > > Is it only a marketing problem? > > > > > > > > > > --Alessandro > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/20/06, Alessandro Manotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I agree with you David. > > > > > > Many programming languages have this problem. They seems like > > > "experimental" languages, but almost nothing exists for real-world. > > > > > > The question is: why this thing happen? > > > > > > Maybe because big magazine don't talk about it, since Rebol and Carl > > > are not as big as IBM, Sun, etc... > > > Maybe because Rebol is really different from traditional programming > > > languages (imperative languages, that many people use). > > > > > > Or... ??? > > > > > > When I asked to the company where I work "Let's use Rebol, since we > > > will get many benefits! Not only Rebol, but for specific tasks" they > > > said "No, thank you, we already use ColdFusion and Delphi"... ??? They > > > didn't asked me "what is Rebol?" - "What can we do with it?" - They > > > said: "Rebol is a small company, too small, and not reliable" - > > > > > > (I don't report all the discussion !) > > > > > > So, I think in such poll, I could add "Create more applications for > > > the real-world (GUI)". > > > > > > Or... "Create examples and templates for the real-world (GUI)". > > > > > > What do you think about it? > > > > > > --Alessandro > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/20/06, Anton Rolls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, naturally, more is better, isn't it ? > > > > > > > > Anton. > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > I created a small poll just to get a feedback about community-needs= > . > > > > > You are kindly invited to submit your opinion about the following > > > > > question: > > > > > > > > > > "Do think Rebol community needs more intruments? Tools? Docs?" > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > --Alessandro > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > > > > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to > lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject. -- To unsubscribe from the list, just send an email to lists at rebol.com with unsubscribe as the subject.
