Bruce,
(Robert) Bruce Reyburn wrote:
> Trudy,
>
> If i had to chose a theocracy i would chose that which placed the law
> carreid by Australia's First Peoples at the core of life. This is an
> orthodox position in Australia fro all but the last 211 years.
Well, that is where we differ then, because I would not want to live in a Theocracy of
any
persuasion. I doubt very much most Aboriginal people would choose to either since
which one of
their different religions or laws are you going to say is paramount?
> Today it was my privilege to provide some support - cups of Chai, cofffee,
> tea and fruit - to the Tibetan Peace marchers as they made their wet way
> through the Royal National Park. I thhink i could live in a theocracy under
> that system of values too.
You would wipe out human rights by imposing a theocracy you 'could live with'? What
about the
rest of us? Human rights precludes the imposition of a state religion.
> My partner Helen (it is her parents shack at Era) took special care to show
> the Tibetan peace marchers the midden at Era, and we said what words we
> could to remind these wonderful people about this countries First Peoples
> In a struggle which is of far longer duration that the 50 years since China
> invaded Tibet.
>
> I am sorry if you find my words about secularism offensive, but there is
> far more to life in my humble opinion. Concern for matters of soul must lie
> at the core of way we do, if we are to do anything.
As I said, I think the conflict is one of definition. What does secularism mean to
you? I believe
it is not the same as others understand its meaning. A secular state does not preclude
'matters
of the soul' - it leaves matters like that to the individual without imposing controls
on how
that should be done.
> May some of the good energy which i have been in contact with today (Clean
> up Australia Day to boot) flow your way.
Thank you, Bruce. I'm sure whatever good energy you send out will also return to you.
Trudy
> ----------
> > From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [recoznet2] De Quiros et al
> > Date: Saturday, 6 March 1999 11:28
> >
> > Bruce,
> >
> > Are you advocating that we should live in a theocracy? That is the
> alternative to the secular
> > State. Of course, then the question is: whose theocracy? Which of the
> fundamentalist tyrannies do
> > you prefer?
> >
> > Your approach to the secular seems to be that it alone is responsible for
> all kinds of atrocities
> > and evil. I find this rather offensive. Rather very much like those who
> speak of "Christian
> > values" when they speak of morality as if no-one else is capable of
> knowing what moral principles
> > are or having the capacity to live by them.
> >
> > The secular is not anti- anything whether religious, spiritual or moral
> but generally
> > facilitates the freedom to follow whatever path is chosen. The present
> lack of morality or
> > goodwill from the top of govt is precisely because one little man is
> trying to impose his own
> > narrow view on all of us in the name of his perceived religion. He is
> following a long line of
> > similar impositions - most of the religious in one way or the other.
> >
> > Trudy
> > PS You were wondering what happened to the priests of old who held life
> sacred - maybe you should
> > watch Compass tomorrow night.
> >
> > (Robert) Bruce Reyburn wrote:
> >
> > > Trudy,
> > >
> > > ROME WASN'T DECONSTRUCTED IN A DAY!
> > >
> > > Maybe what is called the Church has become secular itself.
> > >
> > > There has been a long history of struggle over that one.
> > >
> > > The Chruch is a church of spirit, not of buildings, property and
> wealth.
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > PS I have now used one of my favourite phrases, which i was
> > > keeping in reserve for a title.
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > > From: Trudy and Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [recoznet2] De Quiros et al
> > > > Date: Friday, 5 March 1999 16:35
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > (Robert) Bruce Reyburn wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > And who needs another round of ruining bodies and lives to save
> souls?
> > > > > Hmm, look around at what your secular state is doing to lives and
> > > bodies
> > > > > - not to save souls but to ensure that wealth is concentrated in
> the
> > > hands
> > > > > of those with funded superannuation packages, stocks and shares.
> There
> > > > > is no place in this system for a concern for the conditions life
> will
> > > be
> > > > > endlessly reborn into. Oh great, they are going to make a living
> hell
> > > out
> > > > > of my home planet.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't afford to buy the secular state model. Those who enjoy
> endless
> > > > > suffering are most welcome to work to that end, but excuse me, i'm
> > > > > off.
> > > >
> > > > Bruce,Where is the proof that this is the secular State?
> > > > I'm willing to wager that all those with the concentrated wealth in
> their
> > > hands are church
> > > > affiliated. The Old Boys Network through church and social clubs.
> > > >
> > > > Trudy
> > > >
> > > >
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