Tom's point is why I'm a "numbers-only" guy. I think that the "feelings" and "momentum" analysis are really just putting a narrative on what has already happened. If we won we felt good, if we won, we felt flat. How do we feel tonight? Who knows? (Except for John who says we feel good and will win.)
ray On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > I take a large issue with the "flat" issue. I don't think Baseball is a > game of passion like Football or Hockey. Quite the contrary, trying to hard > can have an adverse affect on performance. > > On a lighter note, I'd like to take this moment to wish us all a happy > anniversary. It was 10 years ago this month a few of us began emailing with > each other to chronicle the historic first (and ultimately disappointing) > battle between teh Sox and Yankees in 99. The emails grew into a listserve > that you see and enjoy today. > > Hard to believe. > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 2:07 PM, William Marino <[email protected]>wrote: > >> It is the special High Definition feelings channel. The one that let’s >> you get into the players’ heads. >> >> >> >> Kidding aside, this is a common theme on the debates on this board. Ray >> leads the numbers only camp. John (I think) leads the intuition camp (Ray >> would say witchcraft camp). I think there is more intuition that Ray thinks >> and more to the numbers than John thinks. This is why I’ve come around on >> Francona. I think he walks this line very, very well. >> >> >> >> Sox will win tonight. Becket has an extra gear in the playoffs. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Beaudoin, John >> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 2:02 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* RE: Lackey >> >> >> >> Well I FEEL that they were 3000 miles away, tense in the play-offs, and >> playing until their body clock of 1AM, starting at a time when they would >> normally wind down at home on the couch. It matters. But they’ll be back >> today. Just wait and see. >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tom Salemi >> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 1:33 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Lackey >> >> >> >> The numbers actually support your hyphothesis. >> >> >> >> I was listening to Felger and Mazz on the Sports Hub yesterday. (As an >> aside, a vast improvement over the Big Show. I highly recommend setting your >> dial to 98.5 rather than 850. Or, visit, 985thesportshub.com and listen >> online.) >> >> >> >> Anyway, some Globe or Boston.com reporter ran the numbers. The Sox are >> hitting something like .217 against the best pitchers in the league (not >> sure of the number or how they're defined, but I'll trust the reporter.) >> League average against those same pitchers is .240. >> >> >> >> The Angels hit .270 against those same pitchers. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> wimp. >> >> >> >> Seriously though, what I said was that the team is not hitting. Call it >> "flat", call it "lack of momentum", call it a random period of bad luck, >> whatever, hitting has been a problem against good teams lately (ie. the >> Yankees in September). Ray asked "why is it bad hitting and not good >> pitching?" and I used Lackey's stats to illustrate my point that while >> Lackey (and Darren Oliver) are good pitchers, we are making any decent >> pitcher look like a Cy Young candidate right now. >> >> >> >> Maybe that will change tonight. I certainly hope so. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tom Salemi >> >> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 1:07 PM >> >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Lackey >> >> >> >> Course the only feeling I got was the top of the couch cushion on the back >> of my head. Tried to stay up, but... >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Now see, you should reference the numbers... >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tom Salemi >> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 1:03 PM >> >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Lackey >> >> >> >> Feeling = talking out of ass. >> >> >> >> Seriously, you guys watched this televison right? What kind of feeling >> would you get from 3000 miles away. >> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> I agree. However, when trying to communicate with Ray, I find he responds >> best to numbers. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Beaudoin, John >> >> *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2009 11:26 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Lackey >> >> We were flat. You know I'm not a numbers guy, but rather a feeling guy. >> I felt they were flat. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Sent: Fri Oct 09 08:08:21 2009 >> Subject: Lackey >> >> >> >> Yeah, you're right, I don't mean to take anything away from Lackey. He >> was good. I just think we made him look better than he really is last >> night. On the season the guy has a 1.27 WHIP, 3.83 ERA and a .263 BAA. >> Good numbers, but remember that he's pitching a lot of those games against >> the depths of the AL West. For the game last night he was 0.67 WHIP, 0.0 >> ERA and .153 BAA. You would think an offense like ours should be able to >> produce at least average numbers against him. >> >> In general I just feel like our bats are not producing. Plus I knew I >> would get a rise out of you if I mentioned anything about momentum, streaks >> or trends. >> >> Big game tonight - I'm glad to know Beckett is taking the ball. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of Ray Salemi >> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:12 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Orsillo >> >> >> Why is it that when the other team gets no runs its due to our great >> pitching, but when we get no runs its due to our lousy hitting. >> >> Are we the only team with great pitching? >> >> On 10/9/09, Steve Gendron <[email protected]> wrote: >> > The calls at first base were just unbelievably bad. Lester got >> > screwed out of a couple strikeouts too. >> > >> > Bottom line is the team is not hitting! I'm not going to bring up the >> > M word, but Francona put the bats to sleep in the last 3 weeks of the >> season. >> > It's hard to just flip the switch and say it's playoff time! >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: [email protected] >> > [mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>] >> On Behalf Of Beaudoin, John >> > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:25 AM >> > To: [email protected] >> > Subject: Re: Orsillo >> > >> > Watched it all while chatting online. >> > >> > Worst umpiring I've seen in a long time. >> > >> > Everyone was tight. Nerves. Both teams and umps. >> > >> > Lester looked great. Defense sucked and had brilliant moments too. >> > Hitting was ... Not >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > From: [email protected] >> > <[email protected]> >> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Thu Oct 08 20:08:33 2009 >> > Subject: Orsillo >> > >> > Anybody watching? >> > >> > umpires suck. >> > >> > Nice to have Orsillo doing the play by play... >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> Author of "Leading After a Layoff: Reignite Your Team's Productivity in >> Just 12 Weeks" >> www.leadingafteralayoff.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- Author of "Leading After a Layoff: Reignite Your Team's Productivity in Just 12 Weeks" www.leadingafteralayoff.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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