You will notice my silence on the topic. ...
oops. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > OH DEAR GOD NOT THIS ARGUMENT AGAIN!!! > > > Where's my eye gouger!?! > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:46 PM, William Marino <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> For those slavishly tied to models, this should really rock your world. >> If you go back to the earlier discussion re: defense of Bay (and Ellsbury), >> there was debate on over reliance on models. This is proof that pure stats >> are no better than pure scout. All of it is data and the real value added >> is in the interpretation of the data by people. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt & Olga McSorley >> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:50 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: UZR boo-boo >> >> >> >> From today's Herald Red Sox blog. This is me feeling vindicated for >> contending Jason Bay was not the lousy outfielder we were all told he was in >> the off-season: >> >> >> >> -- Matt >> >> UZR owes Jason Bay an apology >> >> This slipped through the cracks, but the good folks at FanGraphs — who are >> constantly tweaking their formulas in an effort to make them as accurate as >> possible — recently tackled what many within the game considered one of the >> biggest flaws of UZR, or Ultimate Zone Rating, which was treated as Gospel >> this winter during all the discussions of defense around these parts. >> >> That flaw was UZR’s inability to handle quirky parks like Fenway, where >> left field and center field are of such strange configurations, they cannot >> be judged with a cookie cutter model. >> >> It turns out that Mitchel Lichtman, the creator of UZR, agreed, so he >> augmented his model to better gauge things like left field at Fenway, or >> right field in Minnesota, or the entire outfield at Coors, as the FanGraphs >> people explain. >> >> The upshot of these changes is that most players were relatively >> unaffected. However — and this is a big however — one player had his UZR >> significantly altered by the fixes, which were retroactively applied to old >> data: Jason Bay. >> >> The former Red Sox outfielder, who was killed all winter for his >> horrendous defense (which was part of the justification for letting him sign >> a free agent deal with the Mets) saw his UZR shift from minus-13.8 runs to >> plus-1.9. Bay’s play in 2009 obviously didn’t change. Only the numbers did. >> And the new numbers say Bay was not horribly below average last year, but in >> fact saved the Red Sox a couple of runs in left. >> >> It wouldn’t have made a difference as far as the Red Sox re-signing Bay — >> we now know that was an impossibility once their deal collapsed at the >> All-Star break over his medicals — but it would have at least changed the >> narrative. Maybe fans and media members wouldn’t have been so quick to give >> up on the biggest bat in the lineup if they hadn’t been able to lean on the >> “he can’t play defense” crutch >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en.
