"Silly and stupid?" It's not a matter of it being over. It's a matter of recognizing that the Sox are not better than those teams ahead of them, on paper on on the field.
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected]>wrote: > Actually wasn't grouping you in with the bridge jumpers :-) > > I don't have a problem with people having reservations and doubts and > gripes. Just with people saying the season is over 20 percent of the way > through, with 30 games or so left against the teams ahead of them. Silly and > stupid, mathematically and baseball-wise -- which has been shown in a week's > time. > > The Sox could very well miss the playoffs, but is it not safe to say that > they are in the race? > > Steve O > > > > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > >> You're missing the larger point. I had reservations about this team and >> the whole run prevention approach in January and said so. I hope I'm >> ultimately proven wrong, but please don't lump me in with the bridge >> jumpers. Please, I'm typically the biggest Red Sox apologist out there. >> I'm just not buying what they're selling this year. >> >> Yes, he said it. You can Google for the multitude of interpretations on >> what he meant to say when he said it. But I hardly fine a strategy of >> bringing in "old guys who we think can play" very comforting. >> >> Of course they're going to "compete" for a title. They're spending $170 >> million. It'd be hard not to win more games than they lose and compete for a >> title. >> >> But how solid is this plan? >> >> Hell, they're moving Ellsbury back to CF, presumably because the old >> outfielder who can still play can't still play either because he's injured >> (which comes with age) or incapable. >> >> Last time we checked, Cameron was the better CFer and wasn't comfortable >> playing the corners. I guess that's changed. >> >> We brought in Marco Scutaro to add offense to the line up. Well, we know >> how Gonzalez is doing in Toronto (I actually don't fault Theo for this.) >> Meanwhile, Run Prevention Scutaro is ranked among the bottom of AL >> shortstops. >> >> And V-Mart is an adventure at catching, although improving. >> >> I gotta go but just because someone isn't so hot on this team doesn't make >> them a hysterical overreactor. Likewise, I won't accuse you of drinking too >> much Red colored Kool Aid. >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Steve Ouellette <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> I don't remember Theo actually calling it a bridge year. Did he use those >>> words? Even if he did, I don't take bridge to mean "won't compete for a >>> title." It means "will bring in old guys on short contracts who we think can >>> play." >>> >>> There is a fascinating New Englandian tendency -- maybe it's just a Red >>> Sox phenomenon? -- to throw oneself off a bridge at the tiniest hint of >>> trouble. Wait, not fascinating, aggravating. >>> >>> Baseball is a game of averages. Things even out over time. The Sox have >>> outstanding pitching -- I don't think anyone disagreed with that at the >>> beginning of the season. The question going in was if they would hit enough >>> (which I think too much was made of). Injuries can happen, but if those >>> don't get in the way, Josh Beckett will not be sporting a 7-plus ERA in >>> September and John Lackey won't be at 5 either. >>> >>> Similarly, the Rays will come back to earth and the Padres will not win >>> the NL West. >>> >>> It's not unreasonable to have questions and worries when a slump hits -- >>> especially at the start of the season -- but it just seems excessive to call >>> the season over 30 games into the year when there was, and is, every reason >>> to expect them to play better. >>> >>> I too was pissed at the incredible crappiness of the April Sox. Just >>> thought that surrendering was a silly option. >>> >>> Steve O >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hey, Theo called it a bridge year, not me. I just quoted the guy. >>>> >>>> I'm still not convinced this team is very good. Drew hasn't missed his >>>> obligatory 20-game stretch yet. I'm not sure Papi can keep this up, but I >>>> hope he can. Varitek is not going to finish the season with a 1.000-plus >>>> OPS. The bullpen is dicey and I'm pretty sure our starters aren't going to >>>> go into the eighth inning most games. >>>> >>>> Maybe Dice-K has found his groove, but he'll have to fight his history. >>>> Buccholz is better than I thought. Lester will be better than he is. >>>> Beckett, who knows. Same for Lackey. Maybe he'll end up on the DL as well. >>>> >>>> For the record, I'm not miserable. I'm just a fan who has concerns. I'm >>>> not sure why you happy folks have to dump on those of us who disagree. I'm >>>> not critical of anyone else who thinks highly of the team as long as >>>> they're >>>> intellectually honest and hold consistent opinions. >>>> >>>> Let's see how the season plays out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 91 games. >>>>> >>>>> I stand by my prediction. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:14 AM, Steve Ouellette < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> What do you mean convert? >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been pleading patience all along. Our pitching has been the worst >>>>>> in the league, but it's not REALLY the worst. There's a big correction >>>>>> coming (or now begun). >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been amazed at how many people gave up on the season sometime in >>>>>> mid April. >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve O >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Beaudoin, John < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> A convert? >>>>>>> Welcome to the fold, Steve. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Guys, we have a good team to follow. Leave the Fellowship and >>>>>>> join the Realist Alliance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From*: [email protected] < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> *To*: [email protected] < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> *Sent*: Tue May 25 04:03:50 2010 >>>>>>> *Subject*: Re: Two games behind Yankees >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah? Well...blah blah to you to! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Steve Ouellette < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This season is over ... blah blah ... too far behind ... blah blah >>>>>>>> ... time to rebuild ... blah blah ... Theo has failed us ...blah blah >>>>>>>> ... I >>>>>>>> give up ... blah blah .... this team sucks ... blah blah ... no hope, >>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>> hope, no hope ... blah blah. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The insurmountable deficit for the wild card lead has been cut to >>>>>>>> two games and we're not even out of May yet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Steve O >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" >>>>>>> www.fpgasimulation.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>>>> . >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" >>>>> www.fpgasimulation.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Red Sox Citizens" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Red Sox Citizens" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/redsoxcitizens?hl=en. > -- Author of "FPGA Simulation: A Complete Step-by-Step Guide" www.fpgasimulation.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. 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