How about you have to give me your first-round playoff tickets? Steve O
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm starting to like the idea of the 91 game over/under fun-bet. It will > make things interesting in September. > > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Steve Ouellette > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I don't think you are factoring in a rebound. >> >> As Tom said, we're currently on pace for 89.5 wins. Your "rebound" would >> mean they're only 1.5 games better over the remaining 70 percent of the >> season than they are right now. >> >> Most of us, I think, would agree that the Sox pitching and defense should >> be better this year -- No Penny and Smoltz, Lackey added in, Buchholz more >> mature, Dice-K able to contribute. Is that fair? >> >> Currently, that better pitching is on pace to give up 796 runs, which >> would have been fourth-worst in the AL last year. If the pitching is better >> than last year, it's reasonable to expect the Sox to allow fewer than last >> year's 736 runs -- yes? That means there is still a big correction coming. >> I'm looking forward to it. >> >> Steve O >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I don't see it. >>> >>> There is all this talk about a rebound that will happen when "the >>> pitching" turns around. But I think that rebound is being overestimated. >>> For us to reach 91 will take a rebound, so I've factored that into account. >>> >>> I think part if it is that I consider a 95-win season to be a >>> significantly more difficult task than a 91-win season. It's not linear in >>> my mind, and that's how I derive my estimate. >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Ouellette < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Wait. Why are the pessimists the realists? >>>> >>>> I expect the Sox to win 95-96 games and make the playoffs, and I think >>>> I'm completely grounded in reasonableness. >>>> >>>> Steve O >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> 100%, baby! >>>>> >>>>> Oh, wait. >>>>> >>>>> Too late. >>>>> >>>>> Unless you're an optimists. Then, anything's possible! >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You're right, Bill. >>>>>> >>>>>> But I have no interest in betting against the Sox success. I'd like >>>>>> them to win 100. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM, William Marino < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This conversation is why wagering was invented… Ray’s 91 games >>>>>>> feels about right. Starting pitching will be excellent by the end of >>>>>>> June, >>>>>>> but shortstop and catcher are big holes. I will reluctantly, though, >>>>>>> take >>>>>>> the over—partly driven by the emotion of hope. How about all the overs >>>>>>> buy >>>>>>> the 91 and unders dinner at the end of the season? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Steve Ouellette >>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:03 AM >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Nice Job, Lester.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't get what is so hard to believe. Their multiple ace pitching >>>>>>> staff has pitched way below expectations. Most likely they will return >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> their proven level of competence (as Lester already has). Unless you >>>>>>> believe >>>>>>> Baltimore and Cleveland will continue to outpitch them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And "has scored only more than pitiful Baltimore" is awfully >>>>>>> disingenuous. You could also have worded it "have scored the fifth most >>>>>>> runs >>>>>>> in baseball" or "have scored exactly as many runs as the all-powerful >>>>>>> Rays" >>>>>>> or "Are only six runs from being the highest scoring team in baseball." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They're on pace for 89.5 wins despite having played terribly for much >>>>>>> of that stretch. To get to 95 wins they don't have to play .600 ball >>>>>>> for a >>>>>>> full season, they only have to play it for 70 percent of a season. Last >>>>>>> year >>>>>>> they played .584 for a full season. If you believed they were a 95 win >>>>>>> team >>>>>>> at the start of this season (I don't know that you did), then why is >>>>>>> that so >>>>>>> difficult a task? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, my gripe isn't with people who don't believe they can win a >>>>>>> World Series -- a legitimate concern and an arguable point -- it was >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> people who said they were already out of the race, which is inarguably >>>>>>> false. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My gripe is also with Jacoby Ellsbury, who cost my fantasy team two >>>>>>> weeks of "day-to-day" zeroes, and appears ready to do it again ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> STEVE >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Tom Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wow, one game at a time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me write that one down. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Got anything about giving 110%? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With more than one quarter of the season played, this run prevention >>>>>>> team has allowed the most runs in the division (second most in the >>>>>>> league) >>>>>>> and scored only more than pitiful baltimore in the AL East >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It currently stands in fourth place and is on pace to win 89.5 games. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yet some feel we should be fitted for World Series rings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If it plays .600 ball for the rest of the year, it will win 95 games. >>>>>>> That's difficult to do. Only the Yankees played above .600 last year. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But I concede it will "compete" for the playoffs, whatever that >>>>>>> means. But I don't think it's built to win a championship. I believe >>>>>>> I'm a >>>>>>> realist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If I'm wrong, great. I'd rather be wrong than right. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Ray Salemi <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Almost on pace for 91. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not quite yet. But getting there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Beaudoin, John < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eh-hem. >>>>>>> Any thoughts from the "rebuilding" crew? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One game at a time >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From*: [email protected] < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> *To*: [email protected] < >>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> *Sent*: Tue May 25 19:01:43 2010 >>>>>>> *Subject*: Re: Nice Job, Lester.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I thought they sent down Darnell McDonald. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Red Sox Citizens" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]<redsoxcitizens%[email protected]> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> 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