I am not the most knowlegeable person but noticed a couple of comments about your feel line without an explaination.
 
>Feedline = RG8, mentioned 9913 when I went to the shop but the coax has no markings on it when I got it so >I'm not quite sure if I got it or not :)
 
RG8 is not suitable for duplex operation.  There is insufficient shielding and will most likely result in receiver desense while the transmitter is operating. You might look back in the archives on the Repeater-Builder there has been extensive discussions about this problem and also on the use of 9913 for duplex operation.  As mentioned by others ... a change to some other type of a 100% shielded feedline will probably do wonders for your receive problem.
 
Good Luck
Larry
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Assistance in Michigan.

I'll try what Eric mentioned when I get a chance to go out to the site... as for now, I'll try to answer Mathew's questions...
 
Antenna Height = 27.0m, rooftop tripod
HAAT =  16.4, elevation gains going south but drops quite a bit going north.
Gain = purchased an Antenex FG1523, 3dB Fiberglass Omni
Feedline = RG8, mentioned 9913 when I went to the shop but the coax has no markings on it when I got it so I'm not quite sure if I got it or not :)
Power of Transmitter = 50w, 35w after duplexer
Duplexer = Sinclair MR256B*2 - Mobile Type, tuned by shop
VHF-Hi, 152.8850 & 159.5400
 
Thanks!
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mathew Quaife <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:47:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Assistance in Michigan.

It would be helpful to know how high the antenna is, gain, feedline and power of the transmitter, and as Eric said, what type of duplexers, etc....Are we dealing with VHF or UHF? 
 
Mathew


Eric Lemmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Since a repeater's range is limited *primarily* by its ability to receive,
you should concentrate on those factors which directly affect receive
sensitivity. One of the most common problems is the use of a duplexer that
has insufficient isolation for the combination of transmitter power and
receiver sensitivity. A transmitter PA that produces a "dirty" signal (one
with spurs) coupled with a broadband receiver will require much more
isolation than a pure-carrier tube PA and a very narrow-band receiver.

Does the range improve if you reduce transmitter power to, say, 20 watts?
Does the range improve if you remove any preamplifier on the receive side?
Does the range improve if you put a single bandpass cavity with 1.0 dB of
insertion loss between the duplexer and the receiver? Is the duplexer
*known* to be properly tuned?

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kfd29
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Repeater Assistance in Michigan.

Looking for assistance w/ a new repeater system in GR, Michigan... Could use
a hand in finding out why we can not pick up 5 watt handhelds only 5 miles
out, maybe we missed something in setup? If anyone is knowledgable in
troubleshooting repeaters or in the GR area, please contact me! Small
business that can't quite afford the $70/hr charge for a tech right now lol.
Thanks!







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