On 2024-12-06, at 02:28, Joel Halpern <j...@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
> 
> While we could change the policies, historically there have been very good 
> reasons why "specification required" does not have "openly available" as a 
> requirement.  Among other things, we generally don't tell other SDOs how to 
> do business (and expect them not to tell us how to do our business.)  But we 
> sometimes need to cite their documents.  While many of them have gotten more 
> open / accessible, it is by no means uniform.  And there would be all sorts 
> of edge cases.

(Not specifically directed to Joel, who knows all this:)

As with other cases of dealing with legal interference (e.g., patent claims), 
the idea here is to leave the WG with the means to specify more details *as 
appropriate for that WG*.
Typically, this comes with a subsection in the IANA Considerations that 
provides instructions to the Designated Expert (specification required always 
requires a designated expert to check that the specification offered actually 
is one).  So you may find snippets such as (*):

   The registration policy [BCP26] is "Specification Required" for
   permanent entries and "Expert Review" for provisional ones.  In the
   second case, the experts are instructed to ascertain that a basic
   specification does exist, even if not complete or published yet.
(RFC 9557: Here we use “Expert Review” with these instructions as a poor man's 
“specification required” even for the provisional ones.)

   The expert is also instructed to direct the registrant to provide a
   specification (Section 4.6 of RFC 8126 [BCP26]) but can make
   exceptions -- for instance, when a specification is not available at
   the time of registration but is likely forthcoming.
(RFC9423: similar, but giving detailed instructions for “specification 
required” instead of hardening “expert review” to be almost that.)

The point here is that not all WGs are the same, and a sweeping rule that may 
very well fit your WG may not fit mine.

Grüße, Carsten

(*) I didn’t have time for a full search — there are example that make my point 
here even better.

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