On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Joshua Daniel Franklin
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Steve Grubb wrote:
>> We are going through this exercise in Fedora 11 right now and have a minimal
>> install that is looking pretty good. We may add a feature page to that
>> release to highlight what's been done to date. So, I don't think this helps
>
> Awesome news Steve, thanks for the effort.
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Kenton Brede  wrote:
>> I like the way Debian does it.  You can install a very small base and
>> then add on from there.  I think this is the way to go for a server
>> distro.  But we use RHEL here, so I just pair it all down during
>> kickstart.  I was just agreeing with the poster I was responding to,
>> that as a philosophy, it just doesn't make sense to install the
>> kitchen sink by default.  Practically every security related manual
>> I've read starts out with something along the lines of, if you don't
>> need it, don't install/run it.
>
> True. I used to run Debian, but the management tools were a pain
> to get working. It may have improved, but I used to have to hand-edit
> or script stuff in pam.d and rc.d to get LDAP or whatever working. I can
> see the advantages of letting ISVs know that LSB is supported, no
> additional configuration needed.

Leave the management tools off the server as well :)  That's what
Puppet, Cfengine, etc. are for.

>> And this is a desktop, not a server.  I can see the benefit of, by
>> default, installing wireless, bluetooth, etc.
>
> Yes, but RHEL uses the same codebase for workstations. I want
> that stuff to just work. For servers, use NFS portmap or multipath
> as examples instead.

Just add those applications as packages to install during kickstart.
By default the policy should be install the minimum set of packages
for a server, kitchen sink if you want for a desktop.  Otherwise, why
have separate desktop and server flavors?
Cheers,
Kent

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