Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
Do all of you even realize how many bugs Red Hat has to resolve to move from Fedora sources to bugs free stable product?? If you even done ANY programming you would understand how complicated is to solve all the issues popping all the time.


I don't know, don't care and it's irrelevant.

I've seen projects involving serious changes of software, the first I recall was when a government dept I worked at as a junior in the 70s converted from one free IBM compiler to another.

There was evaluation.
There was a trial conversion of some software.
There was evaluation of the results.
There were changes, and prior steps repeated until the results were considered satisfactory.

Then a real conversion of one application. I don't recall whether any data had to be changed in format, or whether there were interoperability issues across applications, but there could have been.

It was a lengthy progress, one that had to be done "just so" at each step lest there be lots of unhappy Australians and, as a consequence, unhappy and vengeful politicians.

If I were working there now, and I knew RHEL RHEL6 was to be released in January, I'd be keeping people available to evaluate the latest version, the real thing, right now. They might be helping ongoing projects, some of them, but they would not be engaging in any Big New Thing at this time. Probably, the core would have been in place for some time, but with the Real Deal on the table, things would step up a notch.

We'd be evaluating the software's suitability to our needs.

We'd be evaluating any customisation that might be required.

We'd be evaluating deployment alternatives, including the platform: IA32? AMD-64? Power? Z-Series?

We'd be reviewing policies and procedures, especially with regard to any Big New Features, and who gets the new release.

We'd be revising training requirements and course content.

We'd be planning and costing new hardware, and maybe running a few pilots, "just to see."

It might well be that it saw now real action until 6.1, but we'd be looking really closely.

And if another Linux vendor is more respectful of our need to plan, that might be a serious problem _in our shop_ for RH.

We can do some of those things with a beta, and that time we might be able to influence the content of final product - for example, by RH changing it's mind about excluding Cyrus Imap - but that possibility means the final product might be significantly different from the beta, and so work done on the beta must be repeated on the final product.


If they released unfinished or buggy product, they would lose much more

Of course, if the product is buggy, it should be delayed. That happens with lots of software products, and has nothing to do with publishing a target date.

A target date does not have to be as specific as "20/10/2010," Q4 2010 or Q1 2011 is enough to establish in my mind the timeframe for dedicating initial resources and, maybe, acquiring more office space and computer hardware etc.

With six months to go, or a few months into a beta, RH should have a good handle on the quality of the software and be able to set a target data, say Q1 2010 and then Corporate I might say, Q2 we will be having a Real Good Look at this.

than few inpatient customers. At the start of the year there was prediction that final product should be somewhere around October-November. Even that time frame gives them one month minimum. But all depends on how many unresolved bugs there are, and how much time they need to fix them.

If there is nothing major in the first weeks of a beta, there is very unlikey to be anything major later. If the smaller problems are not numerous early, probably the beta is pretty sound and RH should be able to set a date in the expectation that any problems in the final product, when the media contents are frozen, will be fixable before anyone goes live with it.

No major customer is going to use it without a Real Good Look. Me, I'm a small-time user of Linux these days, I'd let others use it for a while and then adopt it in the expectation that any major problems I'm likely to see are already found by others and fixed.


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