On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Bryan J Smith <b.j.sm...@ieee.org> wrote:
> Been biting my tongue on this, but here goes ...

> I know some of you are in non-profits and other areas.  But you'd be surprised
> the type of answers you would receive if you would reach out to Red Hat
> representatives.  I have been assisted by a lot of great people in Red Hat 
> over
> the past decade, which made all of the difference in not only my professional
> endeavors, but my professional name.

Yes, I am surprised. The answer so far on RHEL 6's release date, when
asking with a contract in hand, boils down to "I won't tell you". It
may be because they don't know. It doesn't matter.

> I cannot stress enough how much this is about community.  I.e., if you're
> looking for official dates on a web site because your supervisor requires 
> such,
> then I don't know what to tell you.  But if you explain the model, how Red Hat
> has -- time and time again -- delivered both upstream and in product, then you
> should know what to expect.  It's important that experienced customers and

I am an experienced customer. I've always been able to get a nominal
release date until now, roughly once a year when reviewing upgrades,
for over 12 years. Now, asking my RedHat affiliated vendor that RedHat
told us to work through, I'm not getting an answer. I don't need an
official date on a website: I need a rough estimate so I can schedule
hardware and manpower, and not invest my efforts six months early when
the testing will all be out of date and need repeating by the time of
the release. It's a scheduling issue.

egcs, which you cited, is a very unfortunate example of RedHat's
visionary and leading edge development. For me, it was a painful
nightmare and a reason to stay at RedHat 6.x rather than investing
money in RedHat 7.x. Unfortunately for me, I couldn't wait it out, but
had to backport and forward tools to it. It was..... awkward.

FireFox forklift updates, and investing in ext based filesystem
upgrades rather than persuing ReiserFS? Those were helpful and
insightful.

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