================== FIGHT THE RIGHT! ================== wesley you give me a headache, the jews lived in that land for generations.to this date most of the israeli jews are shephardic, and mezharim. they are not alien europeans. thousands of thousand were driven off their ancestoral homes in arab lands. did the arabs have the right to do that. i quoted you one article which focused on the thousands driven out of iraq alone. people transfer populations all the time. i wouldn't say that haveing 80% of the land is being driven off. 22 states and jordan translate to 80% it was the jews who were driven off in the 1880's by arabs. i am so sick of your depictions of them as invaders. the whites were not from america, the jews were from the middle east and deserved a homeland there just like every one else whose roots are from there.
Wesley Parish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ================== FIGHT THE RIGHT! ================== On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 09:39, donnella whitacre wrote: > ================== > FIGHT THE RIGHT! > ================== > > wesley if you want a few hundred pages of proof, dont ' be a nut. this > stuff is all over the net. i can't keep track of every thing i read and > give you reference. that is a pretty low way of refusing to listen. how > many articles have i read that in? many. > no matter what the un says, someone is not a permanent resident or natural > resident after two years, Which is my point in relation to the Zionists and DPs from Europe. They were in exactly the same position as the European settlers in America - they had no right to drive the locals off their land. > they are still an alien. nor do they deserve the > right of return. you hang on any little stupid thing to back u p your > arguements for the arabs and over look substantile evidence for the jews. > cause that is were you are at. But I _do_ strongly believe in the right of Iraqi Jews to live in Iraq [Egypt, Syria, etc]. I just don't believe that they have any ancestral right to a land that they left at the time of the Exile into Babylon, and Exile they _chose_ back then, not to return from. And I strongly believe in their right to an untroubled existence in Iraq [Egypt, Syria, etc]. But Zionism's alliance with the Western Great Powers has quite effectively shattered that ancient modus vivendi. I for one would like to restore some of that modus vivendi, and Zionism's a bit like a lump of rock candy stuck in the windpipe. > as for their reasons for being terrorist. none. So Arabs don't have a right of self-defense, or failing that, the right of retaliation? Hamas' first suicide bombing happened _after_, _not_ _before_ Baruch Goldstein's actions. > they have been offered time > and again, they could if their arab so called brothers were not using them > have been settled 45 years ago and going about their business. millions of > people transfered after the war. get over it. the jews got some of theres > and they got some of the jews. let it go. there is no excuse for what they > do. under oslo they promised to curb terrorism before state hood. again > before state hood. they have not done it. all bets are off. the jews begged > them not to go to war after the partition. ben gurion begged for peace. so > the ball is in their court room and there it will stay. You're giving the best example of this intransigence you claim the Arabs are guilty of. How about I say the problem was with Zionism's claim that they had the right, and they alone, to the land, and had no intention of sharing it with any Arab? You know, I've come across the same attitude in New Zealand towards Maori claims to land dishonestly confiscated after the Land Wars of the 1800s, I've come across it in Ltrs-to-the-editor debates in New Zealand newspapers with expatriate South Africans in relation to South Africa and apartheid before they collapsed from its own excess weight, I've come across it in relation to the Australian Aborigines ... Hank's probably seen it in relation to the Amerindians, and the colons of Kanaky (New Caledonia) are probably still arguing the same way as they did in Algeria, with the Kanaks, though thanksfully I've heard nothing from there about the colons acting in a French Algerian manner to the Kanaks, it seems to have settled down somewhat since the casual murders of the 1980s. > as for your 2 years, the jews have been there and a strong presence since > oh 1700 b.c.e. that is indigenious wesley. Uri Avnery remarked in one of the Gush Shalom newsletters that his father's family claimed they'd been in Germany since the time of the Caesars, ie, the Roman Empire, which is probably true. In that case he's more an indigenous Central European than the Magyar, who turned up several centuries later, on the coat tails of the Goths and the Huns. > they deserve a homeland. They deserve justice. a "homeland" is a different matter, particularly when it involves an equal measure of slander and murder. > during the pogroms of 1503 or so portugal the christians felt free to > murder thousands of new christians or marranos but they didn't touch the > forced converted muslims because they had a homeland and they knew that > christians would be subject to retaliation.but the jews had no homeland and > no security so they felt free to butcher, torture and burn them. all it > boils down to for me, the the arabs got enough, Once again, I don't understand this sentence. The Arabs got enough of what? They wanted their lands free of foreign intruders and foreign interference. Take a look at Iraq, from the British Empire's meddling to the Soviet-versus-US meddling and lastly the US occupation ... > they are bound to destroy > israel one way or the other, either thru propaganda, birth rate or what > ever. and the rest of the world helps them because just like ww2, they > dont' really care and don't want them in their countries. I don't think this is an accurate assessment. the ROTW sees on one hand, the enshrining of Jews as the Perpetual Victims, their downplaying of the suffering of others such as the Sinti-Roma in Europe during WW II, and their hypocritical behaviour towards the Arabs in Occupied Palestine, and it sickens _anyone_!!! > let them die > there is the motto. Really? If so, then the best thing the ROTW could do would be to become the current Israel's greatest supporters, and let the Zionist Organizations of the world condemn themselves out of their own mouths by on one hand supporting the condemnation of genocide, and on the other, allowing Israel to become their worst enemies by effectively wiping out the non-Jewish population of the Occupied Territories. If that happened, not a hand would be raised to help the Jews, and Masada Mark Two would be just a matter of time. Don't you understand this? America's gone a long way into this, with the Christian Zionist/Fundamentalist kneejerk support of Israel, because of what is supposed to happen when one Jesus of Nazareth AWOL for over two thousand years, decides to return. America no longer has the unqualified support of Europe; because that "theology" has no universal support in a largely secular Europe. 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