Pois.. eu investi mt tempo em tecnologias que agora que so sao usadas em windows phone e windows store..Tenho um bom know-how to xaml e construir custom controls mas hj em dia isso ja n tem o mesmo valor..Quando olho ao mercado pagam mais e existem mais propostas em Java por exemplo..ou mesmo puro web dev...No entanto quando aparecem propostas nesta tecnologia pagam mt bem...mas ai esta e' uma vez por outra que uma empresa precisa para ontem...
Cumprimentos/Best Regards, Pedro Pereira AboutMe - http://about.me/doublep Linkedin - http://pt.linkedin.com/pub/pedro-pereira/36/42/b2b/ 2014-10-22 10:40 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]>: > Nice, gosto desses número :) > Isso com módulos In-App, tinham pelo menos 5000 compras. A 2 euros cada: > 10.000 € min ;) > > Pedro, é verdade. É por isso que o ppl do AIR adoraria poder publicar para > o WindowsStore, pois o custo era praticamente 0. Basta republicares para > outro marketplace algo que já vendias fora da store agora fazer nativo é um > investimento que se sente o risco. > > No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 10:36, Pedro Pereira < > [email protected]> escreveu: > > E' verdade Morgado no entanto o risco de n ter um futuro mt risonho e' mt >> grande...A ver vamos.. >> >> Cumprimentos/Best Regards, >> Pedro Pereira >> AboutMe - http://about.me/doublep >> Linkedin - http://pt.linkedin.com/pub/pedro-pereira/36/42/b2b/ >> >> 2014-10-22 10:30 GMT+01:00 Cristovão Morgado <[email protected] >> >: >> >>> Tenho uma app com > 500.000 downloads mas é gratuita (iFixit) >>> >>> Mas há muitos casos de sucesso, e como ainda não está saturada ... tens >>> menos concorrentes! isso ajuda a ter mais visibilidade... >>> >>> Best regards >>> Cristóvão Morgado >>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>> github.com/cmorgado >>> >>> - >>> >>> >>> >>> 2014-10-22 10:28 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Elá, já subiu 2% desde a última análise que vi ;) >>>> >>>> Uma coisa é certa, a competitividade nesse marketplace deve ser 100x >>>> inferior ao iOS, logo eu vejo esses 10% como 20 ou 30. >>>> >>>> Diz-me, mas notas isso na prática ? >>>> Vendes bem nesse marketplace. Sinceramente é o único que desconheço na >>>> prática por completo. >>>> >>>> No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 10:24, Cristovão Morgado < >>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>> >>>> Já representa 10% dos OS em desktop! or isso são MUITOOOOOOSSS milhões >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2014-10-22 10:19 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> Cristovão, >>>>>> >>>>>> O WindowStore é um bónus onde o AIR não entra (apenas ai). Eu olho >>>>>> para o marketshare tão baixo e penso que também não afecta. >>>>>> Quando o WindowsStore surgiu, vi como mais uma ameaça ao AIR ou este >>>>>> passaria a vir a estar disponível no WindowsStore. Mas nem o AIR passou a >>>>>> ser compatível com o WindowsStore nem o marketshare do Windows 8.X >>>>>> cresceu >>>>>> (logo WindowsStore). >>>>>> >>>>>> Acredito que o Windows 10 venha a fazer a diferença. >>>>>> >>>>>> Num mercado de app store com apps a serem vendidas ao preço de livros >>>>>> ou cafés, é necessário termos não alguns milhares mas centenas de >>>>>> milhares >>>>>> ou milhões (como no iOS) de potenciais clientes porque apenas uma pequena >>>>>> percentagem deles vão analisar a tua app e apenas 10% ou menos vão >>>>>> comprar. >>>>>> >>>>>> Não acho o marketshare do WindowsStore suficientemente atractivo de >>>>>> momento mas provavelmente vai ser daqui a 1 ou 2 anos. Espero por essa >>>>>> altura ter algo preparado. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 10:08, Cristovão Morgado < >>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>> Eu na parte desktop tou 90% com Windows Store apps... WIndows8.1 >>>>>>> pelo mundo fora ainda são muitos milhões de potênciais clientes! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2014-10-22 10:06 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eu só começei esta thread porque sinto-me (e muitos como eu - >>>>>>>> milhares) refém da Adobe. Estou um bocado saturado disso. Tenho de >>>>>>>> lidar >>>>>>>> com muitos problemas e este é daqueles que talvez possa e quero >>>>>>>> livrar-me a >>>>>>>> médio prazo. Será que posso mudar de uma empresa para outra ? Talvez. >>>>>>>> Como >>>>>>>> o Xamarim garante avenças, talvez mantenham a tek actualizada como o >>>>>>>> mercado requer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Já me livrei na componente web/desktop com um grande investimento >>>>>>>> pessoal/profissional e espero vir também a fazê-lo no mobile (um dia). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Por enquanto acredito que a Adobe venha a cumprir a porte para o >>>>>>>> iOS 64 bits mas vai haver sempre uma próxima vez. Eles disseram no >>>>>>>> passado >>>>>>>> que o 64 bits não era importante para o tempo "precioso" deles. Agem >>>>>>>> sempre >>>>>>>> de forma reactiva e não proactivo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Como não me agrada e tenho de mudar um dia para ter tranquilidade :P >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 09:58, Hugo Ferreira < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apesar de eu (e muitas pessoas) considerarmos o VS o melhor IDE, eu >>>>>>>>> prefiro trabalhar em ambiente Mac, logo talvez me consiga adaptar ao >>>>>>>>> Xamarim Studio (nunca testei), da mesma forma que me adptatei a outra >>>>>>>>> IDEs >>>>>>>>> como o FB e o Eclipse. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vou dar uma oportunidade ao Xamarim que tanto falam. Gostei da >>>>>>>>> licença Indy. Vejo que dá para fazer download do starter mas gostaria >>>>>>>>> de >>>>>>>>> experimentar um Indy por uns dias. É possível sem ter de desperdiçar >>>>>>>>> um mês >>>>>>>>> de licença só para testar pois o Forms são importantes ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vou enviar um e-mail a eles a questionar esta possibilidade. Seja >>>>>>>>> como for, tem de ser muito bom para me manter fiel a pagar uma avença >>>>>>>>> (mesmo que simbolica) ! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 09:50, Cristovão Morgado < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tens a licença Indy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A mim não me atrai pois uso o Visual Studio ... e falte-lhe os >>>>>>>>>> forms ... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-22 9:40 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Humm, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cristovão, o máximo que "eu" (revelando valores já que estamos a >>>>>>>>>>> falar disso) consegui com 1 app (ok, podes argumentar que podes ter >>>>>>>>>>> a teu >>>>>>>>>>> encargo 20 apps) num mês foi de 3500 € (num único marketplace e é >>>>>>>>>>> obvio >>>>>>>>>>> qual será). >>>>>>>>>>> Não é preciso fazer-se contas para perceber que o valor de uma >>>>>>>>>>> única app atingiria muito mais do que isso por ano. O problema é >>>>>>>>>>> que isso >>>>>>>>>>> apenas acontece (infelizmente :( ) no final do ano porque é a >>>>>>>>>>> altura que >>>>>>>>>>> muitas pessoas recebem iPhones e iPads novos com o Natal e também >>>>>>>>>>> um pouco >>>>>>>>>>> quando sai um novo iPhone (pouco mais que o normal). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A maioria do meses o seu valor ronda entre 5% a 10% desse valor >>>>>>>>>>> e alguns nem isso ! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nem dá para pagar um programador quanto mais uma licença. Se >>>>>>>>>>> fala-se de uma avença (que é exactamente isso que eles ganham) única >>>>>>>>>>> transversal a mobile e desktop (que é o que o AIR gratuíto se >>>>>>>>>>> enquadra), ai >>>>>>>>>>> seria completamente diferente (o mercado desktop à medida é muito >>>>>>>>>>> mas muito >>>>>>>>>>> mais lucrativo, mas bem mais). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mas pronto, esta é a minha experiência e uma empresa à séria >>>>>>>>>>> (com dezenas de apps) deve ser outra história e riem-se desses 2k de >>>>>>>>>>> licença que referes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Acho que actual licença de Xamariam é demasiado premium para os >>>>>>>>>>> 80% (senão 90%) dos programadores por conta própria. >>>>>>>>>>> Acho que se o Xamarim tive-se um tipo de licença mais em conta >>>>>>>>>>> para os muitos devs solitários como eu, acredita que vendiam bem >>>>>>>>>>> mais. Eu >>>>>>>>>>> também trabalho com C# e adoro portanto seria um bom candidato se >>>>>>>>>>> pode-se >>>>>>>>>>> pagar por exemplo 200 dólares por ano ou 2000 € de licença única >>>>>>>>>>> (sem >>>>>>>>>>> avenças). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> De momento estou com HTML/JS puro (já não dependente de >>>>>>>>>>> empresas) para desenvolvimento web/desktop e cada vez mais contente >>>>>>>>>>> com >>>>>>>>>>> isso. >>>>>>>>>>> Para mobile "ainda" uso AIR. Em 2014 começei a usar Android >>>>>>>>>>> nativo. Vamos ver se em 2015 consigo tempo para entrar no iOS >>>>>>>>>>> nativo com >>>>>>>>>>> Swift e encontrar uma metodologia de trabalho entre ambos e ai sim >>>>>>>>>>> talvez >>>>>>>>>>> faça uma nova app nativa para ambas as plataformas. Quanto menos >>>>>>>>>>> depender >>>>>>>>>>> de terceiros melhor. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 07:45, < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> claro não é a silver bullet , mas se queres multi plataformas >>>>>>>>>>>> é do melhor que há por ai . >>>>>>>>>>>> Os custos são relativos aos ganhos … claramente uma app que >>>>>>>>>>>> fature 20k ano e depois por estar em mais plataformas duplique >>>>>>>>>>>> esse valor >>>>>>>>>>>> com apenas mais 30% de trabalho … compensa. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> E 2000€ por ano não pagam dois Developers adicionais >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Surface >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 October 2014 07:24 >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* RIA Group <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cristovão, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Vamos a casos práticos ok ? >>>>>>>>>>>> Tenho uma app que já "sofreu" 5 versões majoradas e >>>>>>>>>>>> literalmente dezenas de versões minoradas desde 2011 até à data ! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Lá porque lanço muitas versões, não significa que seja um mau >>>>>>>>>>>> programador. Não sou perfeito, muito longe disso mas a grande >>>>>>>>>>>> maioria dos >>>>>>>>>>>> updates foram para manter a app "fresca", caso contrário ela irá >>>>>>>>>>>> morrer >>>>>>>>>>>> naturalmente nos marketplaces. Os tempos mudaram desde 2011 em >>>>>>>>>>>> relação à >>>>>>>>>>>> atractividade dos marketplaces mas essa regra mantem-se. Os >>>>>>>>>>>> utilizadores >>>>>>>>>>>> adoram updates e rapidamente cancam-se de 1 app que não tenha um >>>>>>>>>>>> update à >>>>>>>>>>>> muito tempo (salvo excepções claro). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tens 1 iPhone 4S/5/5S que faz muito mais do que alguma vez >>>>>>>>>>>> irias precisar e tiras fotos com uma qualidade de que não tiras >>>>>>>>>>>> partido >>>>>>>>>>>> (num determinado caso) no entanto logo que está a saír o iPhone 6, >>>>>>>>>>>> ficas >>>>>>>>>>>> com vontade de o ter mesmo que não percebas quais as novidades e >>>>>>>>>>>> mesmo que >>>>>>>>>>>> ouças falar que dobra. Conheço um caso assim (1 de muitos >>>>>>>>>>>> milhares). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Com as apps é a mesma coisa. 1 das minhas apps não sofre >>>>>>>>>>>> updates à muito tempo e já tive users que disseram que estão >>>>>>>>>>>> satisfeitissimos no entanto perguntam quando vai sair 1 update :P >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> O Xamarim deve estar a ganhar bastante dinheiro com algumas >>>>>>>>>>>> licenças mas enquanto logo solitário, não dá mesmo para mim :( >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 07:13, Cristovão Morgado < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Depende da app, e sobretudo do programador (nos bugs) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Na evolução podes fazer tudo na PCL e testar para Windows ... >>>>>>>>>>>>> pagar 1 mês para testar e fazer deployment nos outros OS .. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> É que podes como eu faço fazer 80% (será o core da app) sempre >>>>>>>>>>>>> precisar da licença activa... apenas para fazer os testes nas >>>>>>>>>>>>> plataformas é >>>>>>>>>>>>> que se torna obrigatório! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>>>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-21 21:51 GMT+01:00 Ricardo Neves < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1000 eur por ano, por plataforma?! Falas em fazer em 3 meses >>>>>>>>>>>>>> para poupar por exemplo mas como fazes com a manutenção e afins? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2014 20:39, Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTF ................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 21/10/2014 20:38, "Cristovão Morgado" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tens 2 formas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagas anual 1000€ por plataforma (iOS ou Android) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ou mensamente 86€ idem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagina que consegues fazer o que precisas em 3 meses .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sempre gastas menos.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-21 20:17 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Esse "só" é por 3 meses de subscricao ? E se eu quiser usar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> todos os meses nao posso ? Tenho de pagar todos os meses ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 21/10/2014 19:45, "Cristovão Morgado" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tens os dois modelos... o que é porreiro... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Num mês fazes a base, noutro iOS e noutro Android... "só" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gastas 160€ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-21 19:39 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Por curiosidade, isso agora é subscricao ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 21/10/2014 17:25, "Cristovão Morgado" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VM ou MAC ... ambos funcionam ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-21 17:23 GMT+01:00 Ricardo Araújo < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mesmo assim... para fazer deploy com o Xamarin para iOS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> é necessário faze-lo num mac ou pode ser numa maquina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 21 de Outubro de 2014 às 17:20, Hugo Ferreira < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lê o documento. Isso não chega ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 21 de Outubro de 2014 às 17:18, Cristovão >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Morgado <[email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xamarin já usa o SDK 8.0 da Apple pelo que não vai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haver problema >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-21 17:04 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Já não uso Flash à muito tempo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flex + AIR "ainda uso". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Da mesma forma que eu sempre achei idiota usar-se >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flash em mobile (mesmo antes de 2011), também acho >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiota usar-se HTML para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fazer aplicação desktop e mobile mas isto sou eu ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Penso que o Xamarim vai sofrer do mesmo mal que o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AIR e restantes para iOS em 2015 mas ao contrário do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AIR, acredito que já >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> estejam a resolver isso. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 21 de Outubro de 2014 às 16:53, Ricardo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Araújo <[email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cristovão Morgado, qual é o tarifário que usas para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> o Xamarin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 21 de Outubro de 2014 às 16:39, Ricardo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neves <[email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No meu caso, eu continuo a usar flash, flex e air >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> porque em digital signage não tens alternativas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> viáveis. Isto a menos que >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> queiras perder imenso tempo para fazer um projeto de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treta com performance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> duvidosa. Cada caso é um caso >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2014 15:59, Bruno Perry < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Hugo Ferreira >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Html é para fazer sites? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Porque dizes isso? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eu tambem ainda estou admirado em como é que o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash ou flex ou air ainda existem.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foram grandes tecnologias, mas hoje em dia?! Pa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> que? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2014 4:55 PM, "Ricardo Neves" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Da ultima vez que a apple se"queixou" foi flex, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash e muita merda à vida. Agoravai air tb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2014 15:33, APintex Gmail < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inteiramente de acordo com o Hugo. A paixão de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coração da Adobe para a Apple é que já é outra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversa… :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A cereja sobre o bolo era mesmo o swift correr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noutras plataformas… >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> António Pinto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 21/10/2014, às 14:49, Hugo Ferreira < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As razoes já foram debatidas: em suma >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaproveitamento de código base (alto nível) entre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android e iOS. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No entanto Java/Android é bastante acessível. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ObjectiveC não me atrai. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML é para fazer sites. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felizmente que apareceu o Swift. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Segundo a Apple, para passar a compilar em 64 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bits, basta activar uma flag no XCode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Não será assim tão simples também para o AIR. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> João F ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 21/10/2014 13:00, "Bruno Perry" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Porque razao o pessoal ainda usa Air? porque não >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usam diretamente Java/Android, ObjectiveC/Swift ou >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JS/HTML5? Acham assim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tão mau? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O que ainda consideram ser vantajoso ao usar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Air/AS3/Flex (tanto para mobile ou dt)? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-21 12:34 GMT+01:00 Ricardo Araújo < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pois é, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> esperemos que a Adobe se adapte mais uma vez! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 21 de Outubro de 2014 às 11:56, Hugo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ferreira <[email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://forums.adobe.com/message/6850702#6850702 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mim a maior vantagem do AIR no mundo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile é o port de código entre Android e iOS no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entanto o ponto levantado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ontem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=10202014a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coloca o AIR para iOS em risco (again and again). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Como a Adobe tem uma paixão de coração pela >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple, estou confiante que vão resolver o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problema. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mim no dia que deixar de poder usar o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mesmo código base entre Android e iOS será o dia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> que deixaria de usar AIR e >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> por consequência Flex. 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www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> um email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruno Perry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI / UX Developer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +351 93 430 56 53 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List >>>>>>>>>>>>> da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails >>>>>>>>>>>>> do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List >>>>>>>>>>>> da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails >>>>>>>>>>>> do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List >>>>>>>>>>>> da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails >>>>>>>>>>>> do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List >>>>>>>>>>> da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails >>>>>>>>>>> do mesmo, envie um email para [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>>>>>>>>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do >>>>>>>>>> mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>>>>>>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" >>>>>>>> do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do >>>>>>>> mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>>>>>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" >>>>>>> do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do >>>>>>> mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. >>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>>>>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" >>>>>> do Grupos do Google. >>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do >>>>>> mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. >>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>>>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" >>>>> do Grupos do Google. >>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do >>>>> mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. >>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" >>>> do Grupos do Google. >>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do >>>> mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. >>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>> [email protected]. >>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" do >>> Grupos do Google. >>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do mesmo, >>> envie um email para [email protected]. >>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>> [email protected]. >>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" do >> Grupos do Google. >> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do mesmo, >> envie um email para [email protected]. >> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >> [email protected]. >> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da > Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" do > Grupos do Google. > Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do mesmo, > envie um email para [email protected]. > Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para > [email protected]. > Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. > Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Recebeu esta mensagem porque está inscrito no grupo "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" dos Grupos do Google. Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um e-mail para [email protected]. Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. Para mais opções, consulte https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
