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.NET e Java continuam muito fortes. São boas apostas no que respeita a empregabilidade e voltamos ao mesmo, isto é mais voltado para projectos Desktop à medida (e não só mas principalmente). Se o objectivo for a empregabilidade, apostar em .NET e Java já eram e permanecem como boas opostas. As teks que dependem das appstores é que são mais sensíveis. Quem usa AIR já se viu em apuros por demasiadas vezes e sempre a Adobe desenvolveu updates mas sempre de forma reactiva e não proactiva: - Android: Passou a exigir uma determinada versão para o SSL - Android: Necessidade de compilação para x86 por forma a que o AIR não se arrasta-se no tão vendido Galaxy Tab 3 - iOS: Passou a rejeitar no dia de lançamento do iPhone 6 caso o AIR não usado o XCode 6 (por sorte fiz um update umas horas antes que passou :)) E agora é o iOS também a requerer 64 bits. O melhor é sempre que possível desenvolver de forma nativa mas isso é pouco tentador para 1 pessoa. No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 11:21, Pedro Pereira < [email protected]> escreveu: > Pois.. eu investi mt tempo em tecnologias que agora que so sao usadas em > windows phone e windows store..Tenho um bom know-how to xaml e construir > custom controls mas hj em dia isso ja n tem o mesmo valor..Quando olho ao > mercado pagam mais e existem mais propostas em Java por exemplo..ou mesmo > puro web dev...No entanto quando aparecem propostas nesta tecnologia pagam > mt bem...mas ai esta e' uma vez por outra que uma empresa precisa para > ontem... > > Cumprimentos/Best Regards, > Pedro Pereira > AboutMe - http://about.me/doublep > Linkedin - http://pt.linkedin.com/pub/pedro-pereira/36/42/b2b/ > > 2014-10-22 10:40 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]>: > >> Nice, gosto desses número :) >> Isso com módulos In-App, tinham pelo menos 5000 compras. A 2 euros cada: >> 10.000 EURO min ;) >> >> Pedro, é verdade. É por isso que o ppl do AIR adoraria poder publicar >> para o WindowsStore, pois o custo era praticamente 0. Basta republicares >> para outro marketplace algo que já vendias fora da store agora fazer nativo >> é um investimento que se sente o risco. >> >> No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 10:36, Pedro Pereira < >> [email protected]> escreveu: >> >> E' verdade Morgado no entanto o risco de n ter um futuro mt risonho e' mt >>> grande...A ver vamos.. >>> >>> Cumprimentos/Best Regards, >>> Pedro Pereira >>> AboutMe - http://about.me/doublep >>> Linkedin - http://pt.linkedin.com/pub/pedro-pereira/36/42/b2b/ >>> >>> 2014-10-22 10:30 GMT+01:00 Cristovão Morgado < >>> [email protected]>: >>> >>>> Tenho uma app com > 500.000 downloads mas é gratuita (iFixit) >>>> >>>> Mas há muitos casos de sucesso, e como ainda não está saturada ... tens >>>> menos concorrentes! isso ajuda a ter mais visibilidade... >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2014-10-22 10:28 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> Elá, já subiu 2% desde a última análise que vi ;) >>>>> >>>>> Uma coisa é certa, a competitividade nesse marketplace deve ser 100x >>>>> inferior ao iOS, logo eu vejo esses 10% como 20 ou 30. >>>>> >>>>> Diz-me, mas notas isso na prática ? >>>>> Vendes bem nesse marketplace. Sinceramente é o único que desconheço na >>>>> prática por completo. >>>>> >>>>> No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 10:24, Cristovão Morgado < >>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>> >>>>> Já representa 10% dos OS em desktop! or isso são MUITOOOOOOSSS milhões >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards >>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>> >>>>>> - >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2014-10-22 10:19 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Cristovão, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> O WindowStore é um bónus onde o AIR não entra (apenas ai). Eu olho >>>>>>> para o marketshare tão baixo e penso que também não afecta. >>>>>>> Quando o WindowsStore surgiu, vi como mais uma ameaça ao AIR ou este >>>>>>> passaria a vir a estar disponível no WindowsStore. Mas nem o AIR passou >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> ser compatível com o WindowsStore nem o marketshare do Windows 8.X >>>>>>> cresceu >>>>>>> (logo WindowsStore). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Acredito que o Windows 10 venha a fazer a diferença. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Num mercado de app store com apps a serem vendidas ao preço de >>>>>>> livros ou cafés, é necessário termos não alguns milhares mas centenas de >>>>>>> milhares ou milhões (como no iOS) de potenciais clientes porque apenas >>>>>>> uma >>>>>>> pequena percentagem deles vão analisar a tua app e apenas 10% ou menos >>>>>>> vão >>>>>>> comprar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Não acho o marketshare do WindowsStore suficientemente atractivo de >>>>>>> momento mas provavelmente vai ser daqui a 1 ou 2 anos. Espero por essa >>>>>>> altura ter algo preparado. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 10:08, Cristovão Morgado < >>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eu na parte desktop tou 90% com Windows Store apps... WIndows8.1 >>>>>>>> pelo mundo fora ainda são muitos milhões de potênciais clientes! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2014-10-22 10:06 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Eu só começei esta thread porque sinto-me (e muitos como eu - >>>>>>>>> milhares) refém da Adobe. Estou um bocado saturado disso. Tenho de >>>>>>>>> lidar >>>>>>>>> com muitos problemas e este é daqueles que talvez possa e quero >>>>>>>>> livrar-me a >>>>>>>>> médio prazo. Será que posso mudar de uma empresa para outra ? Talvez. >>>>>>>>> Como >>>>>>>>> o Xamarim garante avenças, talvez mantenham a tek actualizada como o >>>>>>>>> mercado requer. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Já me livrei na componente web/desktop com um grande investimento >>>>>>>>> pessoal/profissional e espero vir também a fazê-lo no mobile (um dia). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Por enquanto acredito que a Adobe venha a cumprir a porte para o >>>>>>>>> iOS 64 bits mas vai haver sempre uma próxima vez. Eles disseram no >>>>>>>>> passado >>>>>>>>> que o 64 bits não era importante para o tempo "precioso" deles. Agem >>>>>>>>> sempre >>>>>>>>> de forma reactiva e não proactivo. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Como não me agrada e tenho de mudar um dia para ter tranquilidade >>>>>>>>> :P >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 09:58, Hugo Ferreira < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Apesar de eu (e muitas pessoas) considerarmos o VS o melhor IDE, >>>>>>>>>> eu prefiro trabalhar em ambiente Mac, logo talvez me consiga adaptar >>>>>>>>>> ao >>>>>>>>>> Xamarim Studio (nunca testei), da mesma forma que me adptatei a >>>>>>>>>> outra IDEs >>>>>>>>>> como o FB e o Eclipse. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Vou dar uma oportunidade ao Xamarim que tanto falam. Gostei da >>>>>>>>>> licença Indy. Vejo que dá para fazer download do starter mas >>>>>>>>>> gostaria de >>>>>>>>>> experimentar um Indy por uns dias. É possível sem ter de desperdiçar >>>>>>>>>> um mês >>>>>>>>>> de licença só para testar pois o Forms são importantes ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Vou enviar um e-mail a eles a questionar esta possibilidade. Seja >>>>>>>>>> como for, tem de ser muito bom para me manter fiel a pagar uma avença >>>>>>>>>> (mesmo que simbolica) ! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 09:50, Cristovão Morgado < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tens a licença Indy >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A mim não me atrai pois uso o Visual Studio ... e falte-lhe os >>>>>>>>>>> forms ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-22 9:40 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Humm, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cristovão, o máximo que "eu" (revelando valores já que estamos >>>>>>>>>>>> a falar disso) consegui com 1 app (ok, podes argumentar que podes >>>>>>>>>>>> ter a teu >>>>>>>>>>>> encargo 20 apps) num mês foi de 3500 EURO (num único marketplace e >>>>>>>>>>>> é obvio >>>>>>>>>>>> qual será). >>>>>>>>>>>> Não é preciso fazer-se contas para perceber que o valor de uma >>>>>>>>>>>> única app atingiria muito mais do que isso por ano. O problema é >>>>>>>>>>>> que isso >>>>>>>>>>>> apenas acontece (infelizmente :( ) no final do ano porque é a >>>>>>>>>>>> altura que >>>>>>>>>>>> muitas pessoas recebem iPhones e iPads novos com o Natal e também >>>>>>>>>>>> um pouco >>>>>>>>>>>> quando sai um novo iPhone (pouco mais que o normal). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A maioria do meses o seu valor ronda entre 5% a 10% desse valor >>>>>>>>>>>> e alguns nem isso ! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nem dá para pagar um programador quanto mais uma licença. Se >>>>>>>>>>>> fala-se de uma avença (que é exactamente isso que eles ganham) >>>>>>>>>>>> única >>>>>>>>>>>> transversal a mobile e desktop (que é o que o AIR gratuíto se >>>>>>>>>>>> enquadra), ai >>>>>>>>>>>> seria completamente diferente (o mercado desktop à medida é muito >>>>>>>>>>>> mas muito >>>>>>>>>>>> mais lucrativo, mas bem mais). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mas pronto, esta é a minha experiência e uma empresa à séria >>>>>>>>>>>> (com dezenas de apps) deve ser outra história e riem-se desses 2k >>>>>>>>>>>> de >>>>>>>>>>>> licença que referes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Acho que actual licença de Xamariam é demasiado premium para os >>>>>>>>>>>> 80% (senão 90%) dos programadores por conta própria. >>>>>>>>>>>> Acho que se o Xamarim tive-se um tipo de licença mais em conta >>>>>>>>>>>> para os muitos devs solitários como eu, acredita que vendiam bem >>>>>>>>>>>> mais. Eu >>>>>>>>>>>> também trabalho com C# e adoro portanto seria um bom candidato se >>>>>>>>>>>> pode-se >>>>>>>>>>>> pagar por exemplo 200 dólares por ano ou 2000 EURO de licença >>>>>>>>>>>> única (sem >>>>>>>>>>>> avenças). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> De momento estou com HTML/JS puro (já não dependente de >>>>>>>>>>>> empresas) para desenvolvimento web/desktop e cada vez mais >>>>>>>>>>>> contente com >>>>>>>>>>>> isso. >>>>>>>>>>>> Para mobile "ainda" uso AIR. Em 2014 começei a usar Android >>>>>>>>>>>> nativo. Vamos ver se em 2015 consigo tempo para entrar no iOS >>>>>>>>>>>> nativo com >>>>>>>>>>>> Swift e encontrar uma metodologia de trabalho entre ambos e ai sim >>>>>>>>>>>> talvez >>>>>>>>>>>> faça uma nova app nativa para ambas as plataformas. Quanto menos >>>>>>>>>>>> depender >>>>>>>>>>>> de terceiros melhor. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 07:45, < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> claro não é a silver bullet , mas se queres multi >>>>>>>>>>>>> plataformas é do melhor que há por ai . >>>>>>>>>>>>> Os custos são relativos aos ganhos ... claramente uma app que >>>>>>>>>>>>> fature 20k ano e depois por estar em mais plataformas duplique >>>>>>>>>>>>> esse valor >>>>>>>>>>>>> com apenas mais 30% de trabalho ... compensa. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> E 2000 EURO por ano não pagam dois Developers adicionais >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Surface >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 22 October 2014 07:24 >>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* RIA Group <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cristovão, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vamos a casos práticos ok ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tenho uma app que já "sofreu" 5 versões majoradas e >>>>>>>>>>>>> literalmente dezenas de versões minoradas desde 2011 até à data ! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Lá porque lanço muitas versões, não significa que seja um mau >>>>>>>>>>>>> programador. Não sou perfeito, muito longe disso mas a grande >>>>>>>>>>>>> maioria dos >>>>>>>>>>>>> updates foram para manter a app "fresca", caso contrário ela irá >>>>>>>>>>>>> morrer >>>>>>>>>>>>> naturalmente nos marketplaces. Os tempos mudaram desde 2011 em >>>>>>>>>>>>> relação à >>>>>>>>>>>>> atractividade dos marketplaces mas essa regra mantem-se. Os >>>>>>>>>>>>> utilizadores >>>>>>>>>>>>> adoram updates e rapidamente cancam-se de 1 app que não tenha um >>>>>>>>>>>>> update à >>>>>>>>>>>>> muito tempo (salvo excepções claro). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tens 1 iPhone 4S/5/5S que faz muito mais do que alguma vez >>>>>>>>>>>>> irias precisar e tiras fotos com uma qualidade de que não tiras >>>>>>>>>>>>> partido >>>>>>>>>>>>> (num determinado caso) no entanto logo que está a saír o iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> 6, ficas >>>>>>>>>>>>> com vontade de o ter mesmo que não percebas quais as novidades e >>>>>>>>>>>>> mesmo que >>>>>>>>>>>>> ouças falar que dobra. Conheço um caso assim (1 de muitos >>>>>>>>>>>>> milhares). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Com as apps é a mesma coisa. 1 das minhas apps não sofre >>>>>>>>>>>>> updates à muito tempo e já tive users que disseram que estão >>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfeitissimos no entanto perguntam quando vai sair 1 update :P >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> O Xamarim deve estar a ganhar bastante dinheiro com algumas >>>>>>>>>>>>> licenças mas enquanto logo solitário, não dá mesmo para mim :( >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 22 de Outubro de 2014 às 07:13, Cristovão Morgado < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Depende da app, e sobretudo do programador (nos bugs) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Na evolução podes fazer tudo na PCL e testar para Windows ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagar 1 mês para testar e fazer deployment nos outros OS .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> É que podes como eu faço fazer 80% (será o core da app) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sempre precisar da licença activa... apenas para fazer os testes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plataformas é que se torna obrigatório! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-21 21:51 GMT+01:00 Ricardo Neves < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1000 eur por ano, por plataforma?! Falas em fazer em 3 meses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para poupar por exemplo mas como fazes com a manutenção e afins? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2014 20:39, Hugo Ferreira <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTF ................ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 21/10/2014 20:38, "Cristovão Morgado" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tens 2 formas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pagas anual 1000 EURO por plataforma (iOS ou Android) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ou mensamente 86 EURO idem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagina que consegues fazer o que precisas em 3 meses .. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sempre gastas menos.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-21 20:17 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Esse "só" é por 3 meses de subscricao ? E se eu quiser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usar todos os meses nao posso ? Tenho de pagar todos os meses >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 21/10/2014 19:45, "Cristovão Morgado" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tens os dois modelos... o que é porreiro... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Num mês fazes a base, noutro iOS e noutro Android... "só" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gastas 160 EURO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-21 19:39 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Por curiosidade, isso agora é subscricao ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 21/10/2014 17:25, "Cristovão Morgado" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VM ou MAC ... ambos funcionam ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-21 17:23 GMT+01:00 Ricardo Araújo < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mesmo assim... para fazer deploy com o Xamarin para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iOS é necessário faze-lo num mac ou pode ser numa maquina >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> virtual? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 21 de Outubro de 2014 às 17:20, Hugo Ferreira < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lê o documento. Isso não chega ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 21 de Outubro de 2014 às 17:18, Cristovão >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Morgado <[email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xamarin já usa o SDK 8.0 da Apple pelo que não vai >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haver problema >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cristóvão Morgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pt.linkedin.com/in/cmmorgado/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> github.com/cmorgado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-21 17:04 GMT+01:00 Hugo Ferreira < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Já não uso Flash à muito tempo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flex + AIR "ainda uso". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Da mesma forma que eu sempre achei idiota usar-se >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flash em mobile (mesmo antes de 2011), também acho >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiota usar-se HTML para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fazer aplicação desktop e mobile mas isto sou eu ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Penso que o Xamarim vai sofrer do mesmo mal que o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AIR e restantes para iOS em 2015 mas ao contrário do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AIR, acredito que já >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> estejam a resolver isso. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 21 de Outubro de 2014 às 16:53, Ricardo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Araújo <[email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cristovão Morgado, qual é o tarifário que usas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para o Xamarin? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 21 de Outubro de 2014 às 16:39, Ricardo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neves <[email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No meu caso, eu continuo a usar flash, flex e air >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> porque em digital signage não tens alternativas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> viáveis. Isto a menos que >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> queiras perder imenso tempo para fazer um projeto de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treta com performance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> duvidosa. Cada caso é um caso >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2014 15:59, Bruno Perry < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Hugo Ferreira >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Html é para fazer sites? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Porque dizes isso? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eu tambem ainda estou admirado em como é que o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash ou flex ou air ainda existem.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foram grandes tecnologias, mas hoje em dia?! Pa >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> que? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2014 4:55 PM, "Ricardo Neves" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Da ultima vez que a apple se"queixou" foi flex, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flash e muita merda à vida. Agoravai air tb >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2014 15:33, APintex Gmail < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inteiramente de acordo com o Hugo. A paixão de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coração da Adobe para a Apple é que já é outra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversa... :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A cereja sobre o bolo era mesmo o swift correr >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noutras plataformas... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> António Pinto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 21/10/2014, às 14:49, Hugo Ferreira < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As razoes já foram debatidas: em suma >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaproveitamento de código base (alto nível) entre >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android e iOS. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No entanto Java/Android é bastante acessível. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ObjectiveC não me atrai. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML é para fazer sites. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Felizmente que apareceu o Swift. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Segundo a Apple, para passar a compilar em 64 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bits, basta activar uma flag no XCode. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Não será assim tão simples também para o AIR. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> João F ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 21/10/2014 13:00, "Bruno Perry" < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Porque razao o pessoal ainda usa Air? porque >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> não usam diretamente Java/Android, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ObjectiveC/Swift ou JS/HTML5? Acham >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assim tão mau? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O que ainda consideram ser vantajoso ao usar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Air/AS3/Flex (tanto para mobile ou dt)? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2014-10-21 12:34 GMT+01:00 Ricardo Araújo < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pois é, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> esperemos que a Adobe se adapte mais uma vez! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No dia 21 de Outubro de 2014 às 11:56, Hugo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ferreira <[email protected]> escreveu: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://forums.adobe.com/message/6850702#6850702 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mim a maior vantagem do AIR no mundo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile é o port de código entre Android e iOS no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entanto o ponto levantado >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ontem >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=10202014a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coloca o AIR para iOS em risco (again and again). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Como a Adobe tem uma paixão de coração pela >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple, estou confiante que vão resolver o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problema. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mim no dia que deixar de poder usar o >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mesmo código base entre Android e iOS será o dia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> que deixaria de usar AIR e >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> por consequência Flex. Talvez seja o melhor ... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grupo "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich Internet Applications >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> um email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grupo "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich Internet Applications >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> de receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> um email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruno Perry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UI / UX Developer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +351 93 430 56 53 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grupo "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich Internet Applications >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> um email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber >>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List >>>>>>>>>>>>> da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails >>>>>>>>>>>>> do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List >>>>>>>>>>>>> da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails >>>>>>>>>>>>> do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List >>>>>>>>>>>> da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails >>>>>>>>>>>> do mesmo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List >>>>>>>>>>> da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails >>>>>>>>>>> do mesmo, envie um email para [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>>>>>>>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - >>>>>>>>> www.riapt.org" do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do >>>>>>>>> mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>>>>>>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" >>>>>>>> do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do >>>>>>>> mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>>>>>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" >>>>>>> do Grupos do Google. >>>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do >>>>>>> mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. >>>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>>>>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" >>>>>> do Grupos do Google. >>>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do >>>>>> mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. >>>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>>>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" >>>>> do Grupos do Google. >>>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do >>>>> mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. >>>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" >>>> do Grupos do Google. >>>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do >>>> mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. >>>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>>> [email protected]. >>>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >>> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" do >>> Grupos do Google. >>> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do mesmo, >>> envie um email para [email protected]. >>> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >>> [email protected]. >>> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >>> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> -- >> Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da >> Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" do >> Grupos do Google. >> Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do mesmo, >> envie um email para [email protected]. >> Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para >> [email protected]. >> Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. >> Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > Recebeu esta mensagem porque subscreveu ao grupo "Mailing List da > Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" do > Grupos do Google. > Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do mesmo, > envie um email para [email protected]. > Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um email para > [email protected]. > Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. > Para mais opções, visite https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Recebeu esta mensagem porque está inscrito no grupo "Mailing List da Comunidade Portuguesa de Rich Internet Applications - www.riapt.org" dos Grupos do Google. Para anular a subscrição deste grupo e parar de receber emails do mesmo, envie um email para [email protected]. Para publicar uma mensagem neste grupo, envie um e-mail para [email protected]. Visite este grupo em http://groups.google.com/group/riapt. Para mais opções, consulte https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
