Most people would say it's not a selling point, but damnit no logic is
the best. It's REAL MVC. I have 10 templates, with 1 backend to run
them all. If that's not amazing to the people, they'll never see the
beauty of RIFE.
Cheers,
Tyler
P.S. Push the no logic, the good ones will see the light.
On 2/11/06, Geert Bevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting philosophical exercise, I doubt it'll put much weight in
> when trying to defend our templates to other people. It's easy to
> state that frameworks might have several points of ugliness and that
> the templates could just be one of them, indicating that a lot of
> other things are 'as ugly'.
>
> On 10-feb-06, at 23:46, Fred Baube wrote:
>
> > Call me nuts, but ...
> >
> > <rant mode="philosophical">
> >
> > Quoting Geert Bevin:
> >>
> >> I'm writing my presentation about RIFE for TSSJS, and I just *know*
> >> that many people in the audience will shriek when they see the
> >> template syntax for the first time.
> >
> > Every framework tries to wire together classes and presentation
> > and a URL sitemap and so on and so forth, and this simply cannot
> > be done clearly and consistently with this language at this point
> > in time. I suspect the sad fact is that in EVERY framework there
> > is a single point of logical inconsistency where all the ugliness
> > accumulates, just like a hairball. Or perhaps an abstract class
> > that implements interface hairball :-)
> >
> > In Rife it's in the templates, but (as has been mentioned previ-
> > ously in this thread) the syntax is HTML editor -friendly, and
> > the functionality is logicless and bidirectional, so the syntax
> > has its upside. And it also means that as compensation, the
> > declarations of submissions and the usage of templates are
> > relatively painless and straightforward to understand.
> >
> > In other frameworks the dead bodies (or, "gotchas") are more
> > deeply buried, or the appealing simplicity breaks down much
> > more drastically at a more painful point in the framework.
> > This seems to be the focus of the Java-v-Ruby debate right
> > now. It's like learning a foreign language. Each language
> > has its point where suddenly the bloom is off the rose and
> > oh crap! now you feel like you are pounding nails into your
> > head. For example, I've read that with spanish the first two
> > years are smooth sailing but the third year is the killer.
> > With english the first year is a total breeze ("Grammar?
> > WHAT grammar?!") but there's a pretty nasty brick wall
> > somewhere around the next corner.
> >
> > Rife's template syntax is ugly because the (inevitable) seams
> > in the framework pop up in the presentation-layer markup. But
> > OTOH you could troll the mailing lists of other frameworks to
> > find out where _they_ bury _their_ dead bodies.
> >
> > </rant>
> >
> >
> > HTH! :)
> >
> > fred
> >
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