Well said indeed. Kyndig does not have the actual X server running, and you can't get to it. While some progs require installation in certain directories (using rpm to install progs limits where things go), such as /usr/X11/* etc, you will find that any -=professional=- server doesn't have the X binaries and fontserver. This is rather insecure, thus making it, well, NOT a pro server by any means.
By default, these directories will exist, for occurences like what kyndig mentioned. That doesn't mean that X exists, just that the directories exist. Big deal! Try locate startx. You will find it on a few servers, and for the most part THEY'RE insecure as anything. X has absolutely no place in a professional TEXT based environment. The fact that X is on any server is a rather large concern, not only security wise, but also because X is a hog for system resources, and the cause for many major system problems as well. Any professional server will remove X before setting up for the general public to use. This is a given. Again, if it's there, it's not a professional server. Cut the flames already shall we? And as you said, think before you type Jamie. I know for sure what I'm talking about, as I've been there and done that. And this has absolutely what to do with rom? All of this derived from one persons legitimate question. The question has been answered. Drop the flames already, both of you. If you can't handle someone else's opinion, there's no need to attack them personally. Simply don't read their mail. I was providing an alternative to the makedepend solution for the people that do NOT have makedepend on their servers. It should have died there, but instead it was necessary to go and "prove" me wrong? Yet, what was proved? Nothing. I still stand by the original statement that NOT all distributions come shipped with makedepend. I've been on more than just the current that doesn't. In fact, originally I TRIED using makedepend (on a seperate redhat server), and there was no such command. Considering the majority of linux servers out there are redhat (NOT to start a war over your favorite brand of linux or anything, but it's the truth.. I've seen most of 'em in action), makedepend PROBABLY won't work for most. So, an alternative was provided. You don't like that alternative? Don't complain about it, there's no real necessity to even comment on it. Just deal with it already. On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 15:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Afternoon gang, > > Thanks for the mention Jamie. X11 is required for certain programs, such > as the Xemacs program which was a request by one of our clients [They > prefer the features of this release, but use it without X support]. We > maintain the X11 library on the servers as well for any developers to use. > While we do have various X applications installed [such as the SETUP > feature] these are all capable of running without the xserver. We do not > have the Xserver itself installed on any of the boxes, nor the xfontserver > or accompanying font packages. Removing access to any Xserver however is > not difficult for those servers which may have a full install of X > support. Not to start a debate over desired platforms, but from working on > various OS platforms, RedHat standard distro is simply easier to configure > from my point of view. Once the server has been secured, there is little > difference in regards to text game development that an end user would > notice. > > Professional service should be measured by the quality of service > performed by the provider, as well as their ability to ensure a secured > developmental platform for their clients. Ensuring proper configuration > and control of programs is a concern, I am certain for many Text Game host > providers to include Kyndig.com. > > > With kind regards, > Kyndig > > On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Jamie Harrell wrote: > > > Okay, so I have to ask, me bein a "Pro" idiot here *j/k, but who knows...* > > > > Define for me a "Pro" server as you keep bringing up... > > > > kyndig.com? I see them as pretty darn professional, you musta too, since > > that's where your mud is hosted.. /usr/X11R6/bin exists..... So I guess by > > your standards their not "Pro" > > > > Lets see.... who else.... > > > > Oh! Betterbox.net perhaps? Nope, sorry sonny, /usr/X11R6/bin exists there > > too... > > > > Hmmmm, both are running Redhat as you stated.... interesting.... > > > > Damn... I just wish this mudding community could get some "Pro" servers..... > > > > Thanks Tom for pointing this flaw out to all of us.... > > > > And while your at it, get your facts straight before you start running off > > with the fingers.... > > > > Oh yeah, and "Nuff Said" > > > > -- > > Jamie Harrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > | URL: http://icechild.dhs.org > > ICQ: 2985611 | AIM: Liquidicie > > -- > > "A computer scientist is someone who, when told to 'Go to Hell', > > sees the 'go to', rather than the destination, as harmful." > > -- > > > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > > > On 3/28/2002 at 10:25 AM Tom Whiting wrote: > > > > >NOTE: > > >As I said, REDHAT.As I don't have other systems available to test I > > >can't say it's not there. > > > > > >Most of the mud servers out there are running redhat, so if you're going > > >to run on a pro server you're going to probably have to do it the other > > >way. > > > > > >Also, if you'll look, it's in the X directory on ALL of the servers > > >you've mentioned, meaning it's probably NOT going to be on a pro server > > >(because most don't bother with X, as it's unsafe on a pro server for > > >many reasons). > > > > > >One thing I did forget to mention about the other way of doing things: > > >When you copy the ROM_FILES, make sure that you change them from .o to > > >.c, otherwise the file won't exist, blah blah blah > > > > > >Nuff said > > >On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 10:14, Jason Gauthier wrote: > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] jgauthier]$ which makedepend > > >> /usr/X11R6/bin/makedepend > > >> > > >> Mandrake 7 > > >> ---- > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ which makedepend > > >> /usr/X11R6/bin/makedepend > > >> > > >> Slackware 8 > > >> ---- > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ > which makedepend > > >> /usr/X11R6/bin/makedepend > > >> > > >> SuSE 6.2 > > >> ---- > > >> bash-2.02$ which makedepend > > >> /usr/X/bin/makedepend > > >> > > >> Solaris 7 > > >> ---- > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] jgauthier]$ which makedepend > > >> /usr/X11R6/bin/makedepend > > >> > > >> Mandrake 8 > > >> ---- > > >> > > >> On said Mandrake system: > > >> rpm -qf `which makedepend` > > >> XFree86-devel-4.0.3-7mdk > > >> > > >> So, methinks you just haven't installed the right packages. :) > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: Tom Whiting [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:05 AM > > >> > To: [email protected] > > >> > Subject: RE: Stupid question. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > That is one way to do it. > > >> > Another way would be to add this into your Makefile: > > >> > depend: > > >> > <insert tab here>$(CC) -E -MM ($DEPEND_FILES) -I. > .depend > > >> > then go up and copy your rom_files into another section called > > >> > depend_files (make sure you keep the tabs in place, otherwise > > >> > make will > > >> > whine), make depend, open up your Makefile, then insert the .depend in > > >> > that way. > > >> > As far as I know, makedepend isn't something that's handed > > >> > out on every > > >> > server (least it isn't on redhat 7.1 and probably older versions as > > >> > well), so you're probably better off going this way. > > >> > On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 07:55, Jason Gauthier wrote: > > >> > > The easiest way is to set up the dependencies. You can do > > >> > it manually, or > > >> > > with makedepend. > > >> > > > > >> > > makedepend *.c > > >> > > > > >> > > It will create all the dependencies in the Makefile for you. > > >> > > Compile at will. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > From: Sammy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 8:49 AM > > >> > > > To: [email protected] > > >> > > > Subject: Stupid question. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Ok, this is an utter newbie question. Feel free to flame me > > >> > > > at will. But > > >> > > > if you can answer it, please do! > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I searched through the archives and couldn't find the answer. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > The mud I started coding on did a full compile every time I > > >> > > > changed the > > >> > > > merc.h file. The one I am working on now does not. How do I > > >> > > > force a full > > >> > > > compile without making a tweek to every single file? > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Thanks, > > >> > > > Sammy. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > > >ROM mailing list > > >[email protected] > > >http://www.rom.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rom > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ROM mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.rom.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rom > >
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