--- Administrator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cu scuzele de rigoare,
Nu te grabi. Dupa ce ai sa citesti replay-ul meu ai sa ai timp sa-ti ceri scuze. Dar nu vei avea suficiente scuze pentru cate motive. Sursa materialului postat de tine este: http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/06a1_incest.html Textul original este: "The sexual use of children in the Middle East is probably as widespread as in the Far East.(172) Historically, all the institutionalized forms of pedophilia that were customary in the Far East are extensively documented for the Middle East during its earlier infanticidal childrearmg mode, including child marriage, child concubinage, temple prostitution of both boys and girls, parent-child marriage (among the Zoroastrians), sibling marriage (among the Egyptians, among both royalty and commoners), sex slavery, ritualized pederasty, eunichism, and widespread child prostitution. Furthermore, as in India, there are parts of the Middle East where customs from earlier times have been maintained intact, so that more detail is available than is usually preserv-ed in historical documents. In the oasis of Siwa, for instance, mothers regularly give their boys to older men for sexual use, both related and outside the family, and fathers regularly lend their young sons to each other, similar to the Central Asian Islarnic tradition of bacaboz, where most fathers trade their sons with others for sexual use.(173) Pederastic marriages and pederastic prostitution have been so widespread in Siwa until just recently that everyone is accustomed to the proposition that men normally love boys more than they do women, saying: "They will kill each other for a boy. Never for a woman."(174) Muslim holy men (imaam) regularly have boys available for sex, saying the ingestion of the imaam's semen is necessary for absorbing his spiritual powers, sometimes even extending to formal marriage with the boy. Sex for boys in the Middle East is said to begin in infancy and continue throughout childhood. Parents and others masturbate the infant's penis in order "to increase its size and strengthen it," and older siblings have been observed playing with the genitals of babies for hours at a time.(175) As the boy gets older, mutual masturbation, fellatio and anal intercourse are said to be common among children, particularly with the older boys using the younger children as sex objects as a reaction to the over stimulation of the family bed. Pederasty of boys by the men in and near the ex-tended family is said by an Arab sociologist to be common, since "the mere sight of pretty boys is regarded.. .as disturbing and terribly tempting."(176) Moralists often find it necessary to issue warnings such as these: "A man should never spend the night in a house with beardless boys" and "Do not sit next to the sons of the rich and noble: they have faces like those of virgins and they are even more tempting than women."(177) By the time of circumcision - a traumatic ritual(178) that is usually performed at ages 3 to 6, whose unconscious purpose is to purify the boy and cleanse him(179) of the molestation to which he has been subjected - the boy is supposed to stop wearing the dress-like shin that allows ready access to his genitals and begin wearing pants. However, since he often continues to sleep in the parental bed, to have sex with siblings and cousins, to experience sexual attacks at school and to attend nude public baths (hammam) with his mother and sisters,(180) his sexual over stimulation often continues into the 7- to 14-year-old phase. Much of the incest may occur in the baths. Bouhdiba reports: "The hammam...is a highly eroticized place - so much so indeed that the name has come to signify for the masses the sexual act itself... 'going to the hammam' quite simply means 'making love'.. .Every Muslim can relive his childhood in terms of his experience of the hammam. . notoriously a place of homosexuality, male and female.. .there the child has all the time in the world to contemplate, examine and compare sexual organs [so that] every Muslim is fixated on his mother..."(181)" Notele care au stat la baza acestui material se gasesc la adresa: http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/06a1_incites.html Tu spui ca: > Extras dintr-un material ce foloseste surse islamice > si OMS. (Organizatia Mondiala a Sanatatii) De fapt, OMS nu se numara printre sursele materialului tradus de tine, deci aici AI COMIS FRAUDA INTELECTUALA cu buna stiinta. Hai sa vedem si sursele "islamice". Extrag tot ce se cheama arab, desi nu e o certitudine pentru "islamic", dar fie si asa: 1) Abdelwahab Bouhdiba, Sexuality in Islam. London: Routledge and Kegan Paul, 1985; 2) Afaf Lutfi Al-Sayyid-Marsot, Ed., Society and the Sexes in Medieval Islam. Malibu, Calif.: Undena, 1979; 3) Nawal El Saadawi, The Hidden Face of Eve: Women in the Arab World, Boston: Beacon Press, 1980; 4) Hamed Ammar, Growing Up In An Egyptian Village. New York: Octagon Books, 1973. Asta-i tot. Deja se poate observa cu ochiul liber ca volumele respective NU SUNT PUBLICATE IN TARI ISLAMICE, primul apare in Franta, urmatoarele trei in USA. Altfel spus, sunt surse extra-islamice (nici una dintre edituri nu este islamica). Totusi, sa nu ne formalizam prea tare si sa mergem mai in adanc, pentru ca mai sunt niste FRAUDE foarte usor de dovedit: Un capitol al lucrarii lui Abdelwahab Bouhdiba, "Sexuality in Islam" poate fi gasit si citit la adresa: http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/bouhdiba.htm Ne indreptam spre un pasaj pus la dispozitie de Dicu-Sava Cristian: > Sociologii arabi considera ca folosirea in scopuri > sexuale a baietilor de catre rudele de sex mascului > atat apropriate cat si mai indepartate > este un loc comun deoarece doar simpla privire a > unui baiat dragut este considerata: "tulburatoare si > foarte tentanta". > Moralistii musulmani gasesc adeseori necesar sa > emita avertismente de tipul: Barbatii nu trebuie sa > petreaca noapte intr-o casa cu baieti > carora nu le-a dat barba" sau "Nu te aseza langa > baietii celor bogati: ei au fetele ca cele ale > virginelor si sunt mai tentanti decat femeile". Iata si textul original: Pederasty of boys by the men in and near the ex-tended family is said by an Arab sociologist to be common, since "the mere sight of pretty boys is regarded.. .as disturbing and terribly tempting."(176) Moralists often find it necessary to issue warnings such as these: "A man should never spend the night in a house with beardless boys" and "Do not sit next to the sons of the rich and noble: they have faces like those of virgins and they are even more tempting than women."(177) Despre ce "sociologi arabi" (in fapt, in original: "an Arab sociologist"!!! -> FRAUDA) este vorba? Ne uitam la nota: Abdelwahab Bouhdiba. Din fericire, in capitolul IV al lucrarii sale, se poate izola cu precizie pasajul la care se face aluzie: "So much so indeed that the segregation of the sexes almost ends up embracing the segregation of the age groups, and by affecting beardless boys whose virility is not yet sufficiently marked to discount any wicked temptation of homophilia. The mere sight of pretty boys is regarded by the fiqh as disturbing and terribly tempting. According to one hadith there are three sorts of male homosexual: 'those who look, those who touch and those who commit the criminal act'. 'Grown men', comments Alussi, 'have behaved in an exaggerated fashion in turning away from beardless boys, in refraining even from looking at them and sitting next to them. Al-Hassan Ibn Dhakwam said: "Do not sit next to the sons of the rich and noble: they have faces like those of virgins and they are even more tempting than women."' Citatul la care face aluzia Lloyd DeMause, autorul pe care ni l-a servit Dicu Sava-Cristian, SPUNE EXACT CONTRARIUL. Falsul a fost facut in spirit si in sens, pastrandu-se doar cateva cuvinte (plagiat???) Va las placerea sa descoperiti cine este Lloyd DeMause, obscurul autor al junk-ului pe care l-a tradus Dicu. Va las placerea sa va minunati si de ONG-ul numit The Institute for Psychohistory, care poate fi "descoperit" la http://www.psychohistory.com Cei foarte interesati sa stie cu ce se mananca psihoistoria vor putea achizitiona formidabila colectie formata din trei volume, toata publicata de Lloyd DeMause si vanduta pe trei creitzari la http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/12_press.html Aveti rabdare, este o stiinta tinerica, mai e mult jeg de produs! Deja un fan il avem in persoana lui Dicu. In ce ma priveste, nu-mi pot exprima decat dezamagirea in ce priveste posibilitatile intelectuale ale lui Dicu Sava-Cristian, care, cu regret, nu sunt in acord cu veleitatile. Recapitulam: 1) FRAUDA INTELECTUALA: mentionarea unei surse de referinta obiectiva intr-o lista in care aceasta de fapt nu se gaseste. Autor: Dicu-Sava Cristian. 2) FRAUDA INTELECTUALA: traducerea unui plural care ar conferi o autoritate acolo unde nici textul original nu-si aroga asta. Autor: Dicu-Sava Cristian. 3) FRAUDA INTELECTUALA: neverificarea surselor unui material excentric. Autor: Dicu-Sava Cristian. In ce priveste citarea numelui lui Abdelwahab Bouhdiba, a 4-a FRAUDA INTELECTUALA apartine celui ce a compilat mizeria tradusa de Dicu. Reproduc cateva pasaje din lucrarea acestuia: "The Islamic view of the couple based on the pre-established, premeditated harmony of the sexes presupposed a profound complementarity of the masculine and the feminine. This harmonious complementarity is creative and procreative. [...] Islam remains violently hostile to all other ways of realizing sexual desire, which are regarded as unnatural purely and simply because they run counter to the antithetical harmony of the sexes; they violate the harmony of life; they plunge man into ambiguity; they violate the very architectonics of the cosmos. As a result the divine curse embraces both the boyish woman and the effeminate man, male and female homophilia, auto-eroticism, zoophilia, etc. Indeed all these 'deviations' involve the same refusal to accept the sexed body and to assume the female or male condition. Sexual deviation is a revolt against God." Cum poate cineva sa-l citeze pe Abdelwahab Bouhdiba si concomitent sa sugereze ca Islamul este o religie a homosexualitatii si a pederastilor? Raspuns: FRAUDA INTELECTUALA!!! Stimate domnule Dicu-Sava Cristian, din acest moment orice farmec in relatia noastra a disparut cu desavarsire. V-am vazut insufletit de ura la adresa mea, si stiu ca totul a pornit atunci cand v-am discutat, in urma cu cateva luni, un articolas inept postat pe site-ul dumneavoastra. V-am considerat doar neinformat. Am vazut ulterior ca aveti multiple carente de caracter, dar se pare ca lucrurile sunt cu mult mai grave, lipsurile dumneavoastra fiind (si) de ordin intelectual. Profunde. 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