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From: Don Bate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Gornik, Davor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Parker, Ryan (GXS)
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Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 12:17 AM
Subject: RE: (ROSE) Use Cases for Rose itself?
>
> This is total bullshit. Rose predates UML by many years and the RUP
> by many more years. I once heard the top Rational management
> acknowledge that the original development of Rose was allowed to
> proceed without the benefit of the original lessons learned in the
> development of other Rational products. The original Rose was Unix
> based and did not do very well. The original Rose for Windows using
> the Booch notation was acquired from another small company (I can't
> remember the name) but it is on the order of 10-12 years ago.
>
> Rational Rose has been severely lagging in it's conformance to the
> the UML standard (by several years!) even though they're supposedly
> the driving force behind it. If they are truly using RUP, then I
> would think that that would be an interesting factor in the
> productivity equation against RUP.
>
> Regards,
> Don Bate
>
> <flame retardant on>
>
> P.S. I also believe that Use Cases are a tool for discovering
> requirements and do not scale well in describing all the actors'
> interactions with the system for anything but trivial (or at best
> small) systems. Attempting to formalize Use Cases for anything other
> than the major scenarios or discovering the major requirements is not
> a productive use of time. It mostly seems a CYA activity (which I'll
> admit is prevalent in a lot of SW environments, especially DoD
> related environments).
>
> The other problem is that Use Cases have a tendency to be
> process-oriented rather than object-oriented. Good OO designers tend
> to understand this and cope with the problem. In other words they
> absorb the information in the Use Cases and produce an OO solution
> that will cope with the current process and allow for future
> unforeseen modifications of the process.
>
> Finally, I believe that no such use case diagrams exist for Rose.
> That is why they will hide behind the excuse that such information is
> proprietary (although I'd use the proprietary excuse even if I had
> any such diagrams).
>
> <flame retardant off>
>
> At 4:24 PM +0100 2/7/01, Gornik, Davor wrote:
> >Rose itself is developed using Rose and other Rational tools. Every
> >development in Rose is use case based! We use the Rational Unified
Process.
> >
> >
> >Davor Gornik
> >Marketing Engineer Rose Business Unit
> >Rational Software
> >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >Rational User Conference 2001
> >July 22 - 26, 2001 * Denver, CO, USA
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> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Parker, Ryan (GXS) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 4:06 PM
> >To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> >Subject: (ROSE) Use Cases for Rose itself?
> >
> >
> >
> >All,
> >
> >Has anyone ever created use cases and use case diagrams for the usage of
> >Rose itself?
> >
> >Ryan
> >
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