James,
I agree about the process.
RUP is a mammut for small projects and it has many lacks & holes :use case
approach doesn't works so fine with system driven by rules.. and the list
might continue .. but I have some hard work to do today......
Moreover rose doesn't support an important UML view: process view (here
process means triggers, light processes, etc.).
I work with Rational suite.... but it'is only a product that I use.. and so
I hope for future improvements...
However an important point remains: a process ("your process") it's very
important... I'm seeing so many projects fail (time, requirements,
features..and so on) because of lack of a process.
From Extreme programming point of view someone could tell : "Many Projects
fails because of too big processes".
In my language I say "Uccidere una mosca con un fucile"...
In my bad english I say: " Kill a fly with a shotgun"...
..why we don't continue this discussion also on RUP forum ?
I will read forum news tomorrow....
by
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At 09.30 05/04/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>Luca
>
>It's true that Together is much more appropriate for development of
>software, rather than modelling business systems.
>
>However, it does support UML, even if the diagrams are not always as pretty.
>And, it is neutral regarding Process.
>
>James
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Luca Simonetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 10:23 AM
>To: Shields James; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: (ROSE) interaction diagrams
>
>
>I'm agree with you.
>Rose is more formal respect UML specification and Unified Process point of
>view.
>Togheter follows Coad Process: a different Process more oriented to
>development rather than all software life cicle (I intend big process &
>project).
>Togheter actually works better with java & java2ee: update model from code
>& reverse in rose actually are rather poors.
>However not all togheter's diagrams are now so clear and clean....
>
>At 08.26 05/04/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >I'm not trying to be subversive here, but are you all aware that Together
> >keeps code in step with all UML diagrams?
> >
> >www.togethersoft.com
> >
> >James
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 7:30 PM
> > > To: 'Michael Hill'; Moin Ahmad
> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: (ROSE) interaction diagrams
> > >
> > > I do not believe that as well that Rose is capable of generating codes
> > > from interaction diagrams - that will be a very useful functionality.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Hill [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:33 AM
> > > To: Patrick Adewunmi; Moin Ahmad
> > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: (ROSE) interaction diagrams
> > >
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