Harold,
My posting was a reply to Anthony Kesterton's from Rational Software. I pointed to statements he made that need clarification. You confused Anthony's vague statements with my questions about it. Also, in my posting UML and tools (ReqPro/Rose) were not even mentioned within the same paragraph. Where did you get an idea that I am mixing them together? Attentiveness helps not only with system analysis and modeling, it facilitates better communication when you posting on a large public forum like this. Regards, David Lyalin -----Original Message----- From: Harold van Garderen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 10:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (RUP) RE: (ROSE) Process Modelling? At 09:25 20-9-2002 -0400, Lyalin, David S wrote: >Your posting is an excellent illustration of the following problem: >Rational is very vague with Business Modeling issues, its strategy >with the subject (if any) unclear, its positioning of Rose and ReqPro >as business modeling tool is unconvincing. > >What do you mean saying that UML can be used to model business process >"in general"? Could you elaborate on "specific" situations where UML >can't be used for this purpose? I find it strange that Lyalin keeps on confusing UML, the notation language with the tools like Rose & ReqPro. But if you want my answer: yes, you can model Business Processes with UML, although you can in principle do it, I wouldn't attempt to use Rose/Repro to build a full set of models as proposed in Zachman's Enterprise Architecture Framework. I find Rational very clear on this, they even explicitely refer to more in-depth business modelling frameworks that are not covered in the RUP process. >Do you think that Rose and ReqPro "the best choice" of tools for >business modeling? Maybe Casewise or some of the "lots of others tools" >are better? I think I didn;t see anyone saying this. Again see Zachman site www.zifa.com for links to BP modeling tooling. >Should we use UML for business modeling, or should we draw "pictures and >boxes" with PowerPoint? This question does not deserve an anwer I'm afraid. Harold van Garderen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- dr. Harold F. van Garderen Group Research and Technology Oc� Technologies B.V. R&D, building 2S, room 167 St. Urbanusweg 43, Venlo, The Netherlands P.O. Box 101, 5900 MA, Venlo, The Netherlands tel. +31 77 359 2446 fax. +31 77 359 5471 email. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The content of this email is an expression of a personal opinion and does not in any way represent an official Oc� opinion ----------------------------------------------------------------------- **************************************************************************** ***** * RUP Forum is a public venue for discussions about the * Rational Unified Process (RUP). * * For RUP support materials, process Plug-Ins, tutorials, whitepapers, * a biweekly column, Rational University training courses, and more, * please visit the Rational Developer Network (available to Rational * customers) at: http://www.rational.net. * * For technical support of RUP, RPW, Rose or any other Rational * product, please visit: http://www.rational.com/support * * For other discussion groups, such as Rose and UML, please * sign up at: http://www.rational.com/support/usergroups/index.jsp * * To reply to a posting, please "Reply to all" or send * To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Admin.Subscription Requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Other Requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email: * * To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Subject:<BLANK> * Body: unsubscribe rup_forum * **************************************************************************** ************************************************************************ * Rose Forum is a public venue for ideas and discussions. * For technical support, visit http://www.rational.com/support * * Post or Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Subscription Requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Archive of messages: * http://www.rational.com/support/usergroups/rose/rose_forum.jsp * Other Requests: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To unsubscribe from the list, please send email * To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Subject: <BLANK> * Body: unsubscribe rose_forum *************************************************************************
