On Saturday 12 Nov 2005 16:05, Silvan wrote:
> On Saturday 12 November 2005 09:27 am, Chris Cannam wrote:
> > That's completely the opposite of how I'd have characterised the
> > situation.  We've been finding bugs faster than we can fix them.
> > Surely the only reason we haven't done a release during the last
> > couple of weeks is that we've had too many known outstanding bugs?
>
> This goes back months though.

Yeah, in the longer term you're quite right.  I was just making the 
point that a moment when we're actually working quite hard at finding 
and fixing bugs is perhaps not the best time to make a release.

>       C: we get caught up in other stuff for days/weeks
>       D: G asks if we can release yet, because nobody has reported a bug
> for days/weeks
> [...]
> More testing would mean less time wasted in C and D.

You could argue that if Guillaume would have enough time to make a 
release and release it and then to fix all those additional bugs 
reported in the segment canvas, he should have enough time to test the 
damn thing himself.  (I'll say that just to be snide, but I won't argue 
it seriously because I know it would be defying human nature.  We never 
test the things we write ourselves enough.)

> We've never had a real RC process before.  We do all the shaking out
> before the RC, and the RC is a mere token.

That's what a release candidate is supposed to be.  It's a release that 
you believe you could make into the final release just by renaming 
the .tar.gz file.

But yeah, I was certainly disappointed by how few people reported 
anything at all on the 1.0 RCs.  Maybe they just weren't out there long 
enough.  (Or maybe it is all just too difficult to test, but we know 
that.)

> a) we don't spend
> long enough in the RC process for it to do any good, and b) most
> users don't ever build source

Ah -- yes.


Chris


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