Conversely, although the liveness testing must be on the basis of individual ETRs, it does seem likely that many hosts in a site will be trying to reach endpoints behind the same set of ETRs. As such, having a border guy (or someone else, if you really want to complicate life) testing / monitoring that liveness / reachability on behalf of the various sources within the site would seem likely to
1) reduce the probing traffic
2) increase the odds of having accurate data when packets need to be sent.

Exactly.

To recap what I tried to say:

So far we've had two models on the table: tunnel-router-based and host-based. The tunnel-router based obviously checks reachability at the TR granularity, and host-based on host granularity. This has received criticism that a host-based model causes more signalling/ reachability testing traffic than the tunnel-router-based one.

My point was a simple one: not necessarily so. If TR-level granularity is acceptable, then it is doable with a hybrid host+TR- based solution (like the one I've been hand waving during the last month or so), and in that case the amount of reachability testing / signalling will be at the *same* level as for a TR-only solution.

Of course, in a hybrid solution the hosts can do reachability testing themselves. However, if the only interface they have is behind a TR, then it doesn't give any extra pay off to the host. That is, the host has a slight pay off if it delegates the task to the TR, since the TR may do more efficiently, as it has better information about the multiple local links, and (at least sometimes) on the behalf of multiple hosts at the same time.

Still, in a hybrid solution, a multi-homed the host has the option of doing reachability testing on some interfaces itself, and on others delegate the task to the TR.

--Pekka

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