Hi Dave, 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Meyer [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:05 PM
> To: Yakov Rekhter
> Cc: [email protected]; rrg; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [rrg] [Int-area] Please respond: Questions from 
> the IESG asto whether a WG forming BOF is necessary for LISP
> 
>       Yakov,
> 
> > In answering this question we need to keep in mind that such
> > techniques as (a) caching routing and forwarding information, (b)
> > use of separate mapping system for Loc/ID mapping, (c) relying on
> > probing for determining path feasibility are essential/fundamental
> > to LISP.
> 
>       (c) is clearly not fundemental to LISP. 
> 
>       What is fundemental (IMO) to any Loc/ID split
>       architecture is what have what we have termed the Locator
>       Path Liveness problem. How that problem is solved is a
>       matter for each architecture to consider. 
> 
>       In particular, probing is a solution to the Locator Path
>       Liveness problem, but as we know from shim6 (etc), the
>       complexity of that isn't pretty. But then either is the
>       O(n!) complexity of BGP path hunting. In any event, the
>       space of potential solutions for map-and-encap schemes
>       such as LISP (or eFIT, Ivip, etc) haven't been throughly
>       explored. This is part of the reason why we think LISP
>       should be EXPERIMENTAL.

Not meaning to pick on you, but I don't understand why RANGER
hasn't made it onto the "short list" of proposals yet; maybe
you could answer that for me? AFAICT, RANGER is in the top-two
map/encaps proposals in terms of technical completeness (maybe
even the top-one) so can we have folks add it to their lists?

Thanks - Fred
[email protected]

> > In other words, these techniques form the foundation of
> > LISP.
> 
>       With respect to LISP and probing, that statement is
>       incorrect. 
> 
>       Dave
> 
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