On 2009-10-28 05:27, Scott Brim wrote:
> Eliot Lear allegedly wrote on 10/27/2009 12:12 PM:
>> On 10/26/09 3:36 PM, Scott Brim wrote:
>>> - NAT is now architecture.  The IETF needs to decide how much NAT it
>>>    wants the Internet to have in the future.  This strongly influences
>>>    what we do in routing/addressing, because outlying, dwindling cases
>>>    (either the NAT ones or the non-NAT ones) can be handled specially.
>> Do people believe that a scalable bidirectional connection model is
>> something that the layer 3 architecture (a) should support and (b) does
>> support under the above constraint?
> 
> If I understand correctly, I believe it is fundamentally important.
> However, it can be handled through various dynamic lookup services (e.g.
> DNS), no?

Well, no. The argument is quite complex, partly because "bidirectional"
isn't the general case. I have to point to my own draft:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-carpenter-behave-referral-object
where we talk about address scope in the presence of middleboxes.
I really don't want summarise the argument in a few words, but let me
advertise the GROBJ BOF in Hirosahima while I'm here.

   Brian
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