On 04-Jun-26 04:09, Eric Rescorla wrote:
On Tue, Jun 2, 2026 at 10:33 PM Brian E Carpenter <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Eric,
Some more comments in line:
On 27-May-26 05:37, Eric Rescorla wrote:
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> On Mon, May 25, 2026 at 10:42 PM Brian E Carpenter <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
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> Eric,
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> On 20-May-26 11:13, Eric Rescorla wrote:
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> > On Tue, May 19, 2026 at 3:40 PM Brian E Carpenter <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
<mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote:
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> > So, I haven't seen any comments.
> >
> > Either that means everybody is 100% happy with the draft
> >
> >
> > Definitely not this one.
> >
> > Overall I continue to believe that these decisions should be
> > taken on a stream-by-stream basis,
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> I don't see it as very different from IPR, where the IETF
(appropriately)
> led the way, and the other streams followed. In this case, it just
seems
> natural for the Editorial stream to lead.
>
>
> To you, perhaps, but not to me.
So, we need the RSWG as a whole to decide this.
Sure. Provided of course that the RSWG even has consensus to adopt this draft.
> The misalignment is that the editor mihgt make no creative contributions
> at all and someone who did all the original work might be removed from
> the author list. This is explicitly permitted by 2418 and largely
inconsistent
> with your text.
I don't see anything in 2418 (or 2418bis) about removing authors, and
I'm not sure I recall any cases of authors being removed against their
will. The text covers the case of voluntary withdrawal of an author.
"A working group generally designates a person or persons to serve as the Editor for
a particular document."
ISTM that "designates" includes the ability to un-designate.
WRT to removal, I've certainly seen people removed from documents at adoption
time. For example, consider QUIC:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hamilton-quic-transport-protocol/01/
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hamilton-quic-transport-protocol/01/>
The authors are: Ryan Hamilton , Jana Iyengar , Ian Swett , Alyssa Wilk
This was broken up into several drafts, eventually with new editors designated
by the WG chairs and Ryan and Alyssa appear on none of them.
Right, and that can happen with, or less commonly without, the individual's
consent.
"Copyright Eligibility: In many jurisdictions, including the United States,
works that are entirely generated by AI lack human authorship and cannot be
copyrighted. Authors must disclose AI text to ensure that only the human-generated
portions are protected.
Do you have an actual cite that shows this to be the case? I would observe that
this problem already exists pre-AI because we might be incorporating public
domain material, but we don't designate that specially. Nor would the kind of
disclosure you propose be helpful unless we were to explicitly designate which
portions were unprotected.
Avoiding Fraud: Failing to declare AI usage on copyright applications can
invalidate your registration and may be deemed fraud upon regulatory bodies
like the Copyright Office.
This seems irrelevant unless all of the content of the document is machine
generated, which seems highly unlikely. For that matter, do we even register
our copyrights?
Preventing "Hallucinations": AI models can hallucinate false facts,
references, and data. Disclosure allows readers and reviewers to critically evaluate
claims and ensures the author takes full accountability for verifying the material.
This is already covered under authors being responsible for the contents.
Reader Preferences: Readers expect transparency regarding AI involvement to
assess the value and credibility of what they are consuming."
This is just assuming the premise.
Well, you have to argue those points with Google AI, not me.
I don't intend to use any of that text in the draft.
Brian
-Ekr
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