2013/12/13 Rainer Gerhards <[email protected]>

> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Radu Gheorghe <[email protected]
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi Rainer,
> >
> > Yes, thanks, I want :)
> >
>
> Will have you added today. You'll receive private mail later on.
>

Thanks!


>
> >
> > Though I think I'll begin by contributing doc improvements via GitHub
> > first. I'll also think of an (easy) way to make the documentation more
> > obvious, more up-to-date.
> >
> > In the light of the latest discussions, this is easier said than done, so
> > for now I think we have quite a lot of ideas and we need to switch to
> > actually doing them :)
> >
>
> Year, this unfortunately was in the past 10 years the point where the
> efforts came to a harsh stop ;) I hope it'll be different this time (hope
> dies last ;)).
>
>
With the risk of starting another philosophical discussion, I'd like to add
a comment. Actually, it's an opinion, that goes like this: when one or more
people come with general suggestions like the ones I see more and more of,
there's an underlying need. Typically, the person
suggesting/complaining/etc can't solve the need on their own and they need
help.

For example, if the complaint is "documentation sucks", one typically needs
help in solving that. The two extremes of "ok, I'll fix it" and "why don't
you fix it?" are rarely the solution. Because you're already probably aware
of the problem, do you'd fix it if you had time. But you're already doing A
LOT of stuff, so you don't. Conversely, the person suggesting probably
knows they can contribute a fix. But they can't for some reason (time,
skills, fear that the project is too closed, fear that the project will go
in the "wrong" direction, etc).

I think the solution is to meet in the middle somehow, and everyone
interested could contribute just a bit. And I think we're all doing this to
a certain extent. For example, I've seen you just closed an issue on GitHub
today. Cool: activity -> awareness -> hopefully more contributors. You're
giving me access rights to contribute documentation. Cool: easier for me to
contribute -> more contributions from me -> more awareness -> hopefully
more contributors. You've explained that you accept contributions, how
Adiscon works and what drives rsyslog development. Cool: people have more
confidence that the project is "open", are more aware of how they can
contribute -> hopefully more contributors. I can go on for a while.

The bad news is that all this requires people to invest time. It not free
for you to do all this, it's not free for me to contribute, it's not free
for any of us to brainstorm (more or less constructively) like we did in
the recent threads. But it doesn't need to be "all or nothing", I thing
small stuff, small optimizations add up. And I hope this will pay off in
the long run.
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