On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Radu Gheorghe <[email protected]>wrote:
> 2013/12/13 Rainer Gerhards <[email protected]> > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Radu Gheorghe <[email protected] > > > Cool: activity -> awareness -> hopefully more contributors. You're > > > giving me access rights to contribute documentation. Cool: easier for > me > > to > > > contribute -> more contributions from me -> more awareness -> hopefully > > > more contributors. You've explained that you accept contributions, how > > > Adiscon works and what drives rsyslog development. Cool: people have > more > > > confidence that the project is "open", are more aware of how they can > > > contribute -> hopefully more contributors. I can go on for a while. > > > > > > The bad news is that all this requires people to invest time. It not > free > > > for you to do all this, it's not free for me to contribute, it's not > free > > > for any of us to brainstorm (more or less constructively) like we did > in > > > the recent threads. But it doesn't need to be "all or nothing", I thing > > > small stuff, small optimizations add up. And I hope this will pay off > in > > > the long run. > > > > > > > It's sometimes hard to see this "outside picture", especially if you are > > highly tied in to some other activities. Again, this is why I appreciate > > these comments so much. I'll definitely give it anyother try. > > > > There are some days left before the holiday break, and maybe that's the > > thing to concentrate on now. Actually, it may be worth putting down > > development for a couple of weeks in order to tackle that beast. If doc > and > > these things are actually the top problem for rsyslog to reach it's > > potential, fixing that probably helps much more than new features. I have > > to admit I don't like to do (that kind of) doc, and I am not good and > > relatively slow at it, but it may be the thing that needs to go on top of > > the TODO list... > > > > > Not trying to put you off or anything, but I'm wondering if maybe instead > of writing documentation, your effort would be better invested in making it > easier for others to contribute docs. > I will probably try to get some RST generation mechanism in place, which would be a very good starting point. That, however, boils down to another autotools project, which always is a nightmare for me and takes eternally ... until Michael comes by again and again and fixes my mess. But for this to make sense, doc needs to be converted etc. As I can't ask Adiscon to pay someone else to do that, that's obviously something that needs to go into my non-paid work budget... > > And when I'm saying "wondering", I really mean I don't know what's best. > Because on the other hand, you're the one writing most of the code, and you > know what to write in the docs :) > that's only partially true. For all, I can't iterate enough that I am NOT GOOD AT writing NON-EXPERT doc. This is the area rsyslog doc lacks much. Also, I don't know anything about the hot topics of how to tune /connect to/ mange with things like ES. While I accept everything, I am unfortunately not that super-guru that knows the ins and outs of everything. And... oh wonder, this is the other area where the rsyslog doc is very bad. Think what you mentioned yourself about ES and logstash and folks not even knowing rsyslog supports it. OF course, I can write a "rsyslog does ES" post on the homepage, but will that weak content attract folks? For sure not. So now it's time to ask your company if they are serious in contributing back and giving you a couple of free days to work on that. You got the access permissons, Florian is ready to help you get going if that's required ... so it's totally in YOUR hands ;) Is your company open enough to support that? Does it thrash schedules and priorities like we do when important topics come up? Think about how quickly we acted on what was discussed yesterday -- because it makes sense. Not bashing, but ust taking your and Otis' comments seriously. > > This is more complicated than even optimistic-me anticipated... > Welcome in the real life ;) I try to find a balance in the real rsyslog world for 10 yrs now, and it's always the same... Rainer _______________________________________________ rsyslog mailing list http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a myriad of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you DON'T LIKE THAT.
