On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 1:34 AM, Erik Steffl <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 04/23/2014 01:46 AM, Rainer Gerhards wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Erik Steffl <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On 04/22/2014 12:30 AM, Radu Gheorghe wrote: >>> >>> Hi Erik, >>>> >>>> From the front page, if you click on "older versions and packages" on >>>> the >>>> upper-right side, it gets you here: >>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/downloads/download-other/ >>>> >>>> But it's not that obvious that you should go there for packages, because >>>> the saying "older versions" kind of makes you ignore that link. >>>> >>>> >>> thanks! It's like invisibility cloak :) >>> >>> it would be great if the wording was improved so that it reflects what >>> it is. >>> >>> >> I think it would help if we changed it to "packages and old versions", we >> will do so soon. >> >> >> >>> I liked how the old site had down load link and repos right in the >>> menu. >>> At least Download link could be in menu under 'PROJECT'. I mean getting >>> and >>> installing of rsyslog is one of the main reasons one would come to the >>> page. >>> >>> >>> Yeah, the problem is that there are many different likings. With the old >> site, we tried to be everybodies darling, and it ended up to be an >> unnavigable and unmaintainable mess. It started with mail excahnges like >> these, where someone said "I don't see this link, can't we add another one >> at another location". And we did. Again and again... In the end, we had >> the >> same information at very many places and the menu was so cloaked that it >> was unusable. >> >> With the new site, we have a strict "keep it simple, one link must be >> enough" paradigm. Of course, we still accept changes for the better. It >> just means the old way needs to go away. To initiate this process, I >> suggest to open an issue tracker on the rsyslog-website project ( >> https://github.com/rsyslog/rsyslog-website ), describe within it how >> exactly it should look like and find some supporters. When there are >> sufficient supports and they are more than people who object the change, >> we'll happily apply it. >> >> I strongly fear that if we don't follow this procedure, we will in 2 years >> and up exactly where we have been three month ago. >> > > makes perfect sense, I create issue on git hub > https://github.com/rsyslog/rsyslog-website/issues/26 > > I did include specific suggestions but of course, not expecting anything > specific, just hoping that the links to repos and github will be more > prominent/obvious, one way or another... > > Thanks. I think there are good suggestions inside the issue tracker. Please feel free to promote it. I'd really like to see some more community involvement into such things. It is hard to judge what is good and what is bad if you always argue with yourself or a very small set of people ;) Rainer > thanks! > > erik > > > >> >> On the plus side, if you click on the download link of versions on the >>> >>>> front page, you get to a page where you're also linked to the packages. >>>> The >>>> only problem I see there is that for v8 stable you have no link to >>>> Debian >>>> packages, even though there is a Debian repo for it: >>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/downloads/download-v8-stable/ >>>> >>>> >>> Right now it's a bit inconsistent, 'Current Versions' lists 3 versions >>> which then point to different Ubuntu repos links: >>> >>> stable: 8.2.1 >>> Download: www.rsyslog.com/downloads/download-v8-stable/ >>> Ubuntu repo: http://ppa.launchpad.net/adiscon/v8-stable/ >>> >>> stable: 7.6.3 >>> Download: www.rsyslog.com/downloads/download-v7-stable/ >>> Ubuntu repo: http://www.rsyslog.com/ubuntu-repository/ >>> >>> devel: 8.3.0 >>> Download: www.rsyslog.com/downloads/download-v8-devel/ >>> Ubuntu repo: http://ubuntu.adiscon.com/v8-devel/ - this link is not >>> valid >>> anymore (it has a link to http://www.rsyslog.com/ubuntu-repository/ so >>> people eventually find the right repo) >>> >>> Ubuntu repos links for 8.2.1 and 7.6.3 are correct but I guess it would >>> make sense to either use PPA links for both or use >>> http://www.rsyslog.com/ubuntu-repository/ for both. >>> >>> >>> Let us check. I think the 7.6.3 is a left-over. We have shut down our >> own >> repo (see mailing list archive). Maybe the link just needs to be fixed. Or >> there is no ppa for 7.6.3, in which case we'll remove the link. >> >> Thanks, >> Rainer >> >> erik >>> >>> >>> >>> With devel it works as expected. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 2:22 AM, Erik Steffl <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Old rsyslog.com used to have package repositories linked from >>>> menu on >>>> >>>>> top. >>>>> >>>>> It looks like there are no links to any package repositores >>>>> (Ubuntu or >>>>> other distros) anywhere to be found by clicking on links rsyslog.com. >>>>> >>>>> There is HELP menu item which has FAQ link www.rsyslog.com/faq/which >>>>> has 'How to use the Ubuntu repository' which goes to >>>>> www.rsyslog.com/how-to-use-the-ubuntu-repository/ which is outdated, I >>>>> guess it should just go to www.rsyslog.com/ubuntu-repository/ instead >>>>> (which is where one eventually ends up by following the obsolete links) >>>>> >>>>> There is also search that finds www.rsyslog.com/ubuntu- >>>>> repository/which seems current. >>>>> >>>>> I know it's in state of flux so not sure what should happen, seems >>>>> to >>>>> me >>>>> that something like this would make sense: >>>>> >>>>> - links to package repositories and installation docs accessible >>>>> directly from the front page (and any page actually, if they are in the >>>>> top >>>>> menu bar that is same for all pages) >>>>> >>>>> - update or remove the outdated FAQ answer >>>>> >>>>> thoughts? Is this something that's already planned? I remember >>>>> discusion >>>>> about what should happen to old Ubuntu repo (points people to new repo) >>>>> but >>>>> no discussions about how people will find the new repo. >>>>> >>>>> erik >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> rsyslog mailing list >>>>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog >>>>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ >>>>> What's up with rsyslog? Follow https://twitter.com/rgerhards >>>>> NOTE WELL: This is a PUBLIC mailing list, posts are ARCHIVED by a >>>>> myriad >>>>> of sites beyond our control. PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE and DO NOT POST if you >>>>> DON'T LIKE THAT. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> rsyslog mailing list >>> http://lists.adiscon.net/mailman/listinfo/rsyslog >>> http://www.rsyslog.com/professional-services/ >>> What's up with rsyslog? 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