Dear All, There is a way wherein in the yahoo group, a setting can be made so that whenever a member hits the reply button, the reply goes to only the sender of the message and not to the entire group. The moderator can get in touch with me and I can advise the same or the owner / moderator can make me a moderator and I shall do the needful. This will avoid the mud slinging mails coming on the group. regards Col Shivraj New Delhi Phone: 9810433842
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:51 PM, sroy1947 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Arun-ji > > There was a slight miscommunication, and that matter is resolved - sort of. > > Per your remark "RTI Act provide or require any applicant to state the > reason for filing the RTI , nor to what purpose the information so obtained > wil be put to." > In the instant case of Mr. Rakesh, or indeed wherever a 3rd party is > involved or 8(1)(j) is invoked, then the *purpose* of obtaining information > in context of "larger public interest" definitely comes into play at appeal > stage. In Rakesh's case (from what little I know of it) the "internal > squabbles of NBH.org" are the subject of the RTI request and shall doubtless > find mention in the order. > > On this group, we take "defamation" / personal attacks very seriously, and > offending messages are removed from our group records although they continue > to be lodged in the group's archives at nabble.com > > Believe me sir, it is very difficult to have an unmoderated forum with 900+ > members and yet maintain the group's focus, decorum while not allowing it to > be hijacked by vested interests. > > Sarbajit > > --- In [email protected] <rti_india%40yahoogroups.com>, arun > agrawal <arun_agra...@...> wrote: > > > > Rakeshji: > > > > I am very concerned to read all this . > > > > How is this mud being splashed in the open ? > > > > I thought S Roy was an ethical and knowledgable person . > > > > Rakesh : * You are much younger to me in age so I take > > the liberty of addressing you as such .* > > > > Whatever the internal squabbles of NBH. ORG be , > > no one has the right to comment on internal matters . > > > > RTI Act provide or require any applicant to state > > the reason for filing the RTI , nor to what purpose the information > > so obtained wil be put to . > > > > Quite often , more particularly in case of NGOs , personal interests > > and public interests are inter related . > > > > The reason for all this messy business is that this seems to be > > an unmoderated portal where anyone can us his constitutional right > > of expression to denigrate anyone ( at the same time one could consider > > defamation if aggrived ) . > > > > On 14 July, Punjab Kesari in its NCR edition, published some defamatory > > remarks against me in respect an international NGO I am associated > > with and my transactions with it . > > > > I gave them hell threeatening to take them to Press Council > > and now today they have published my version . Another (bigger) story > will > > come tomorrow . > > > > You must not take such things lying down and be satisfied with some > comments > > on a portal , which not many take seriously . > > > > Earlier also I had noticed that some other groups were entering this > forum > > and using it to air their own grievances . > > > > I put the entire blame at the door of the moderator , I believe Sarabjit > Roy, the > > person whom you thanked in adbance for agreeing to come > > for the hearing on 15th July before IC (MLS) . > > > > Dr Arun Agrawal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rom: Rakesh Agarwal <rak...@...> > > To: [email protected] <rti_india%40yahoogroups.com> > > Cc: Wajahat Habibullah <whabibul...@...>; shaileshgan...@...; aruna roy > <mkssrajast...@...>; aruna roy <aruna...@...> > > Sent: Tuesday, 21 July, 2009 0:29:32 > > Subject: RE: [rti_india] Re: Hearing - Disclosure I.T. returnsof NGOs > > > > > > Mr. Roy > > > > You have a remarkable quality of putting your foot into your mouth - the > > mouth that does not even wait for the hat to drop before expletives gush > out > > of it like muddy water out of a broken sewer line. > > > > Yes, I am using RTI to settle private differences inasmuch as to serve > > public interest. You object? > > > > No, I am not "formerly with" NyayaBhoomi. The so-called third party is, > and > > his son is ashamed of him. Let the court decide where the matter rests. > > > > No, the IT Dept did not make out a convincing case, let alone a "very". > They > > are making a laughing stock of themselves, much like you do of yourself. > > > > You have accused everyone from God downward - including Wajahat, S. > Gandhi, > > Aruna Roy - of being a CIA agent. It has now been conclusively proven > that > > you are the only CIA - Certified Idiot of Asia. > > > > Rakesh > > > > From: rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com] On > Behalf > > Of sroy1947 > > Sent: 17 July 2009 13:41 > > To: rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com > > Subject: [rti_india] Re: Hearing - Disclosure I.T. returnsof NGOs > > > > Has this order come up on net? The buzz on another egroup is that IT Dept > > made out a very convincing case during arguments that Rakesh Agrawal > > "formerly with" NyayaBhoomi was misusing RTI to settle his private > > differences. Hope the final order does not f*** up the scene even more. > > > > Sarbajit > > > > --- In rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:rti_ india%40yahoogro ups.com> > , > > Sidharth <sidharthbbsr@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rakesh ji & Sarbajit Roy ji, > > > > > > Pls do your best at the hearing. Best of Luck. > > > > > > Dear Rakesh, > > > > > > Please raise the issue of 35AC exemptions. Much bigger moollah is > > > invloved there. > > > > > > Best rgds, > > > > > > Sidharth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Rakesh Agarwal <rakesh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly, Sir. Thank you. So are we meeting on 15th at 2:30 p.m.? Your > > > > presence will be of great help. > > > > > > > > Rakesh > > > > > > > > From: rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:rti_ india%40yahoogro > ups.com> > > [mailto:rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:rti_ india%40yahoogro ups.com> > ] On > > Behalf > > > > Of sroy1947 > > > > Sent: 07 July 2009 11:02 > > > > To: rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:rti_ india%40yahoogro ups.com> > > > > > Subject: [rti_india] Re: Hearing - Disclosure I.T. returnsof NGOs > > > > > > > > If information "relating to" an NGO is held by a public authority > WHICH > > THE > > > > PIO INTENDS TO DISCLOSE IN RTI (there being no section 8 bar) a > section > > 11 > > > > notice is issued to the NGO concerned to oppose disclosure. > > > > > > > > On the other hand if the PIO ON HIS OWN feels that a section 8 > exemption > > > > applies to bar disclosure then where is the question of section 11 > > notice, > > > > because the PIO alone must defend his denial. This is especially so > in > > cases > > > > where the Govt has granted financial concessions (like 80G) on the > basis > > of > > > > material available to it. It is crucial that any citizen of India be > > allowed > > > > to examine the material (records) on the basis of which such > > administrative > > > > concession was given ON DEMAND - the non-disclosure of which shall > only > > > > foster / perpetuate a regime of corruption. > > > > > > > > Sarbajit > > > > > > > > --- In rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com <mailto:rti_ india%40yahoogro > ups.com> > > <mailto:rti_ india%40yahoogro ups.com> , > > > > "Rakesh Agarwal" <rakesh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A hearing is scheduled for 15.07.09 at 2:30 before Information > > > > Commissioner > > > > > Sh. M.L. Sharma, Delhi. I request presence of those who may want to > > > > present > > > > > their views before the Commission. > > > > > > > > > > Three hearings have been conducted into a matter involving > disclosure > > of > > > > > income tax returns and other documents that the NGOs submit with > the > > > > income > > > > > tax authorities to claim exemption u/s 80G. > > > > > > > > > > The public authority is seeking to deny information on the ground > that > > it > > > > is > > > > > personal information whereas I am arguing that all NGOs, especially > > ones > > > > > seeking exemption, grants and subsidies, claim to work for the > welfare > > of > > > > > public which is clearly a matter of public interest. NGOs cannot > claim > > > > > protection from disclosure of information which is held by the > > Government. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Rakesh Agarwal > > > > > > > > > > Secretary, NyayaBhoomi > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
