I don't understand what you're saying here. I'm talking about the confusion upon *all* readers totalled together - not just the confusion of an individual reader. When lots of people read and reply with top or bottom posted email, there's lots of confusion. When another lot read and reply with interleaving, there's generally less confusion. I'm suggesting that the developers add the functionality of thread organisation to attempt to compensate for the situation that has resulted from people not being able to compose messages nicely. I'm not implying that it's the developers' *fault* there's top-posting (unless they're the developers of Outlook ;-)And you don't seem to have "got it" either. No-one has "bitched". It was suggested to a poster not to top-post, because the people (or at least a large portion of them) that are attempting to help would find it easier to help if their messages were composed differently. So in this event, if the poster continues to abide by their "preference", they're being deliberately ignorant of the simple requests of the people that are most likely to help them. A little courtesy goes a long way. Now, now. It's all been very civil so far. If you want to veer toward snide, I'll abstain. So you agree... they're not formatting "properly" ATM? ;-)
(re-posted as a top-post as an experiment on the clarity of the format...) On 5 November 2011 22:47, BeeRich <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 2011-11-05, at 6:18 PM, Michael Pavling wrote: > >> On 5 November 2011 21:54, BeeRich <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On 2011-11-05, at 5:08 PM, Colin Law wrote: >>> >>>> On 5 November 2011 18:55, BeeRich <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Actually, it doesn't. >>>> >>>> What doesn't what? >>> >>> See, you failed to read the quotation on the bottom. It was referencing >>> what was quoted down below. >> >> I'm sure you're trying to be interestingly ironic, but you're shooting >> yourself in the foot a little. Yes, of course, it may be "preference" >> to "quote" from references at the bottom; but normally in this >> instance, it's common to put some form of indicator to the footnote >> (such as a number in square-brackets, matched to another at the >> reference). Just writing at the top and saying that everything you >> write is referencing everything at the bottom is rather glib. > > Well, you're just wrong then. I'm not trying to be ironic at all. I > actually don't like hipsters. > > And I disagree. I'm responding to what I am quoting. Hopefully what's > quotes is what the current reply is commenting about. That's why one would > quote something, as a reference. If not, why would it be quoted at all? > >>> Many people don't like this format of interspersing. They find it highly >>> confusing. >> >> Many people find computer programming highly confusing... I'm not >> going to stop encouraging them to get better at it… > > Which is along the same lines as not expecting people to have people format > emails the way you want them. > >> On 5 November 2011 21:58, BeeRich <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Because you interspersed this one, it really was *much* easier to follow ;-) > > For you. Some people don't find it easier. :-P > >>>>> Unless a list owner demands it, it's a topic that will never be solved. >>>> >>>> Unless one realises that it's not "preference" it's "ignorance". >>> >>> Because you say so? Again, check the intensity of the google's hitlist I >>> sent before. >> >> No, it just *is* ignorance, whether I say so out loud or sit quietly >> in the wings. Lots of preferences are born out of ignorance; sure, >> lots of people get very heated about this one, but if you cancel the >> noise on all sides, top/bottom posted replies of any length cause >> confusion, while interspersed replies offer an opportunity of >> discussing like a "normal" conversation (yet may well still give rise >> to some confusion on occasion). > > See, it isn't about you. It's not ignorance because you say so. There's > plenty of evidence that people argue about this well before you. And while I > can appreciate your presentation of logic, it isn't the only way out there, > and those alternatives are indeed brought up in other people's logic. > >> Given the choice of loads of confusion, or little; I'll choose the lesser. > > For your expectations, sure. I don't mind it. THAT is my point. > >>> Why do you think email applications have things like thread organization? >> >> As an attempt by developers to make up for poorly composed emails? > > So now it's a developers issue, and other people who simply do not know how > to use email? > >>> Honestly, I think this is a dead topic. >> >> It's certainly kicking strongly. > > It's dead because everybody expects everybody else to wrap around their own > needs. > >>> I just wanted to say that asking people to post a certain way is a bit much. >> >> But again; this is contradictory, because you're asking people *not* >> to ask other people not to top post? (eek... triple-negative - never >> good ;-) > > No, I'm saying don't bitch when people do things their way. Please, with all > the ways this thread has been quoted and formatted, you still haven't read > what I have put. I'm continuing to repeat myself here, and you still don't > get it. Would you like a different font? Want me to explain it yet again? > If anything, you're demonstrating that in any way shape or form, you still > won't get it, and formatting has nothing to do with the effectiveness of a > thread or a point. > > What would be ultimately respectful to people is if they read the posts > instead of expecting others to format properly. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
