I understand you, but Red Hat legal dept. doesn't responding and there's no other place to talk this matter. Please try to understand it at once. Respect me and I will respect you.
On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Bruno Unna wrote: > Yusuke: I don't know you. You don't know me. Why are you bothering me? > > I read this list's messages because I'm interested in the technical matters > of Drools. Your personal grievances are not a business of mine, and that's > the way I'd like to keep it. Please try to understand it at once. > > Respect me and I will respect you. > > > On 01/09/2010, at 6:33, 山本 裕介 wrote: > >> Yes, it's already in progress. No joke. >> >> On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Greg Barton wrote: >> >>> If you allege illegal actions, you'd better be prepared to take that up in >>> a court of law. No joke. If you think laws were broken, get yourself a >>> lawyer and pursue the matter in the proper venue. >>> >>> This is not the proper venue. >>> >>> Now that you have alleged illegal behavior I will no longer discuss this >>> with you. >>> >>> --- On Tue, 8/31/10, 山本 裕介 <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> From: 山本 裕介 <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [rules-dev] [rules-users] copyright violation issue on Drools >>> To: "Rules Dev List" <[email protected]> >>> Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:41 PM >>> >>> At the time of submission, I was not aware that Red Hat is a company that >>> commits illegal actions. >>> And now I'm "explicitly stating" that I do not wish to include my work to >>> the project. >>> >>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Greg Barton wrote: >>> >>>> See http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 >>>> >>>> "5. Submission of Contributions. Unless You explicitly state otherwise, >>>> any Contribution intentionally submitted for inclusion in the Work by You >>>> to the Licensor shall be under the terms and conditions of this License, >>>> without any additional terms or conditions. Notwithstanding the above, >>>> nothing herein shall supersede or modify the terms of any separate license >>>> agreement you may have executed with Licensor regarding such >>>> Contributions." >>>> >>>> Did you, at the time of submission, have a separate agreement? In >>>> writing? Signed by all parties? >>>> >>>> GreG >>>> >>>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 20:50, 山本 裕介 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> At the time of your contributions to Drools and other projects you were >>>>>> a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal department has determined that it >>>>>> has the right to copy, modify and distribute your contributions under >>>>>> the Apache License version 2.0 and considers this matter closed. >>>>> Richard didn't explain that. >>>>> I didn't use Red Hat time to fix those bugs, translate message resources. >>>>> I believe that "I am/was a Red Hat employee" doesn't matter. I'm not paid >>>>> for the task. >>>>> >>>>> "At the time the code was contributed in good faith under the Apache >>>>> license, you cannot then decide at a later date to change your mind." >>>>> My understanding is that people just do not want to undone their >>>>> contributions usually. That is how OSS works. >>>>> Technically the copyright holder of translated message resources, program >>>>> codes is the originator. >>>>> I agreed to distribute my work under the ASL, but I didn't tell that I >>>>> willingly give away the copyright to the project. >>>>> Anybody who originates their work (i.e. the copyright holder) should be >>>>> able to decide the license at a later date. >>>>> >>>>> Richard, any comment? >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Michael Neale wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So is the reason that there is a dispute over another copyright holder? >>>>>> (ie these changes were copied in violation of that copyright in the >>>>>> first place) - or a case of changing-minds about rights to the commits >>>>>> of the original work? (if the latter then close the issue - nothing can >>>>>> or should be done - as it is a licencing issue then, not a copyright >>>>>> issue, and as Mark says the licence doesn't permit that revoking). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Mark Proctor <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Yusuke, >>>>>> At the time of your contributions to Drools and other projects you were >>>>>> a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal department has determined that it >>>>>> has the right to copy, modify and distribute your contributions under >>>>>> the Apache License version 2.0 and considers this matter closed. If you >>>>>> have any further need to discuss this please do so with Red Hat legal, - >>>>>> you have their contact details. >>>>>> >>>>>> Even if you were not a Red Hat employee, which you were at the time, you >>>>>> cannot undo an OSS code contribution, that is not how OSS licensing >>>>>> works. At the time the code was contributed in good faith under the >>>>>> Apache license, you cannot then decide at a later date to change your >>>>>> mind. The OSS licenses, be it ASL or LGPL or GPL, are designed >>>>>> specifically to provide certainty in that area. Without this level of >>>>>> certainty end user OSS adoption would be a minefield as every time >>>>>> developers fall out, which happens often, one could demand all their >>>>>> code be removed and this would impact everyone who has invested time >>>>>> installing that software in production systems. >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> On 31/08/2010 17:41, 山本 裕介 wrote: >>>>>>> I have consulted RH legal dept. only to get no meaningful response. >>>>>>> I guess Edson is the one who commit most of these files. >>>>>>> The how and why they need to be uncommitted is attached to the Jira >>>>>>> issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Yusuke >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 1:34 AM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Yusuke, good question. I'm not sure where is the right place, but >>>>>>>> you are only asking to rollback your changes right? >>>>>>>> who commit all your contributions to the jboss repo? >>>>>>>> I also saw that you mention: "For several reasons, I decided to >>>>>>>> withdraw those contributions introduced from my spare time. " >>>>>>>> can you mention those reasons? so we, as community can learn why you >>>>>>>> want to remove your contributions. I'm just curious. >>>>>>>> Greetings. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:50 PM, 山本 裕介 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Where is the appropriate forum for copyright issues? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Greg Barton wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > This is not the appropriate forum for copyrighgt issues. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > GreG >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:40, 山本 裕介 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > There's a copyright violation issue on Drools 5.1 release. >>>>>>>> > Please remove the changes listed in the following issue. >>>>>>>> > https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660 >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>>> > Yusuke >>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> > rules-users mailing list >>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> > rules-users mailing list >>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> rules-users mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>>>>>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>>>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> rules-users mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> rules-users mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> rules-dev mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Michael D Neale >>>>>> home: www.michaelneale.net >>>>>> blog: michaelneale.blogspot.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> rules-dev mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> rules-dev mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rules-dev mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>> >>> >>> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rules-dev mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rules-dev mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rules-dev mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev > > -- > Bruno Unna > Public key available > > _______________________________________________ > rules-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev _______________________________________________ rules-dev mailing list [email protected] https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev
